Why is the operator <p> considered real in calculus?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of the momentum operator

in calculus, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore why the expectation value of this operator is considered real, examining mathematical formulations and properties of wavefunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that

    is defined as the integral of the product of a real function and its first derivative, multiplied by an imaginary number, questioning why it is considered real.

  • Another participant argues that if the wavefunction is purely real, then the expectation value

    equals zero, providing a mathematical derivation based on boundary conditions.

  • It is mentioned that if the wavefunction can be expressed as a product of a complex exponential and a real function, then the expectation value

    can be non-zero, contingent on the wavefunction's phase.

  • A participant states that the hermitian nature of the operator

    ensures that its expectation value is real in any state.

  • Another contribution highlights that

    being a hermitian operator leads to the conclusion that

    equals its complex conjugate, suggesting a method to demonstrate this through manipulation of the equations presented in earlier posts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the nature of the momentum operator and its expectation value, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation or method of demonstration.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully elaborated, particularly regarding the integration by parts mentioned in the discussion. The dependence on the properties of wavefunctions and boundary conditions is also noted but not resolved.

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<p> is the integral of the product of a real function and its first derivative, multiplied by an imaginary number. But why <p> is real?
 
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If the wavefunction is purely real, then <p> = 0:

[tex]\langle p \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi^* \left(-i\hbar \frac{d\psi}{dx} \right) \; dx[/tex]

If [itex]\psi^* = \psi[/itex], then this can be written

[tex]\langle p \rangle = -i\hbar \left. \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi \frac{d\psi}{dx} \; dx = -i\hbar \psi(x) \right|_{-\infty}^{\infty} = 0[/tex]

where we have used the boundary condition that the wavefunction must vanish as [itex]x \to \pm \infty[/itex]. On the other hand, if we can write

[tex]\psi(x) = e^{ikx} R(x)[/tex]

where R(x) is real, then

[tex]\langle p \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi^* \left(-i\hbar \frac{d\psi}{dx} \right) \; dx = -i\hbar \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \left( e^{-ikx} R(x) (ik) e^{ikx} R(x) + e^{-ikx} R(x) e^{ikx} \frac{dR}{dx} \right) \; dx = \hbar k \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} R(x)^2 \; dx = \hbar k[/tex]

So, to have a nonzero momentum, the wavefunction needs a phase that varies with x.
 
Because of hermitian conjugate
 
If [itex]\hat{p}[/itex] is selfadjoint, then its expectation value in any state is real.
 
As in the last two posts, the most elegant and general way to see that <p> comes from the fact that p is a hermitian operator.

But if you only know about p in position space (i.e. p = -ih d/dx) then you can see that <p> is real by showing that <p> = <p>* (is this statement obvious?).

Do this by starting with the first equation in Ben Niehoff's post. Take the complex conjugate of both sides, i's become -i's, and psi -> psi* and psi* -> psi. Then with some manipulations (including an integration by parts) you can show that this expression is identical to the formula you started with, so <p>*=<p>.

Hope that helps a little.
 

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