Why is Uranium-236 less stable than Uranium-235 and Uranium-238?

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The discussion centers on the stability of Uranium isotopes, specifically comparing Uranium-236 with Uranium-235 and Uranium-238. Participants explore the factors influencing isotope stability, including mass, neutron-to-proton ratios, decay energies, and binding forces among nucleons.

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  • Some participants suggest that Uranium-236 is less stable than Uranium-238 due to its lower mass, while others question this assertion, arguing that lower mass typically contributes to greater stability.
  • One participant notes that the decay energies of Uranium isotopes indicate that Uranium-238 has a smaller decay energy than Uranium-236, attributing this to the greater number of neutrons in Uranium-238 providing additional binding force.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of an optimal proton-to-neutron ratio for stability, stating that Uranium-235 and Uranium-238 are closer to this optimal ratio compared to other isotopes.
  • There is a discussion about the role of strong force among protons, with some participants asserting that protons do experience strong force interactions, while others express uncertainty about this point.
  • One participant emphasizes that the definition of "stable" may vary, noting that half-life is influenced by both parent and daughter nuclei, and that qualitative arguments may not provide sufficient precision for understanding stability.
  • Another participant mentions the significant impact of small changes in energy differences on isotope lifetimes, highlighting the need for precise calculations rather than qualitative reasoning.
  • Several participants discuss the behavior of various isotopes, including Uranium-237's short half-life and the stability of even versus odd isotopes of Uranium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the stability differences among the isotopes. Multiple competing views remain regarding the influence of mass, neutron-to-proton ratios, and the nature of strong force interactions.

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Some limitations in the discussion include the lack of clarity on the definition of "stable," the dependence on specific energy calculations, and the unresolved nature of qualitative versus quantitative arguments in determining stability.

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Why is Uranium-236 less stable than Uranium-235 and Uranium-238?
 
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This is a specific question about isotope stability. The answer requires a detailed many problem analysis of nucleons.
 
Two simple parts of answer:
U-236 is less stable than U-238 because it has a lower mass. The half-lives of even isotopes of U are:
U-232 - 69 years
U-234 - 240 000 years
U-236 - 24 000 000 years
U-238 - 4 500 000 000 years
Now, all even isotopes of U, and their daughters, have zero spin.
Odd isotopes of U have nonzero spin. And there is no requirement that the spin of mother and daughter should be equal. In case of U-235, they are not. Which contributes to long half-life of U-235.
Can anyone expand?
 
I do not understand "U-236 is less stable than U-238 because it has a lower mass. " I thought lower mass usually contributes to greater stability. I think density would have a lot of influence on stability.
 
UppercaseQ said:
I do not understand "U-236 is less stable than U-238 because it has a lower mass. " I thought lower mass usually contributes to greater stability.
Well, now I managed to look up decay energies, they were ordered as expected:
U-238 - 4270 keV
U-236 - 4494 keV
U-234 - 4870 keV
The reason U-238 has smaller decay energy than U-236 is that both have the same number of protons to repel each other, but U-238 has more neutrons binding them together by strong force.
 
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For a given mass number (sum of protons and neutrons) there is an optimum proton to neutron ratio - the lowest energy state for that mass number. The farther away you are from that optimum the more energy nuclei have, which makes them less stable. It's not always a 1:1 relation but it's a pretty consistent pattern. U-235 and U-238 are close to that optimal ratio, while the uranium isotopes with fewer or more neutrons are a bit away from it.

U-237 with its short half life (a week) is an outlier here.
 
snorkack said:
The reason U-238 has smaller decay energy than U-236 is that both have the same number of protons to repel each other, but U-238 has more neutrons binding them together by strong force.
Of course. I understand. And two more neutrons are not going to increase the diameter that much - not going to make two repelling protons that much further apart. While I am at it though, I think I heard that protons do not have strong force for each other. Personally I think they would. I would not think losing or gaining an electron would affect whether or not they have strong force.
 
UppercaseQ said:
I think I heard that protons do not have strong force for each other.
They do. The strong interaction doesn't really care about protons vs. neutrons.
 
It's not clear what "stable" means in the question. It may mean that U-235 has a longer half-life than its neighbors, but one cannot determine that by studying the parent nucleus in isolation: half-life is a function of both the parent and daughter.

Further, one is not going to be able to determine this by qualitative arguments like "not going to increase the diameter that much". The energy difference between parent and daughter is ~1/500 of the binding energy. You don't get 0.2% precision with qualitative arguments.
 
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I found this at MIT:

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It's hard to see, but the point of this is that a small change in energy difference (alpha particles are typically 4-5 MeV) makes a huge difference in lifetime: of order a factor of a billion per MeV. You need a very precide knowledge of energy levels, and you don't get that with hand-waving. You need serious calculation.
 
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mfb said:
For a given mass number (sum of protons and neutrons) there is an optimum proton to neutron ratio - the lowest energy state for that mass number. The farther away you are from that optimum the more energy nuclei have, which makes them less stable. It's not always a 1:1 relation but it's a pretty consistent pattern. U-235 and U-238 are close to that optimal ratio, while the uranium isotopes with fewer or more neutrons are a bit away from it.

U-237 with its short half life (a week) is an outlier here.
U is an even element. All even U isotopes from 230 to 238 are stable to beta decay or electron capture. Odd isotopes just 233 and 235.
U-237 has too many neutrons so it decays in under 7 days.
U-238 has even more neutrons but it cannot beta decay - it would form Np-238 which is odd-odd - so the neutrons stabilize the nucleus and make alpha decay slower.
U-239 is odd and has beta decay in 23 minutes - faster than U-237.
U-240 is even and has so great neutron excess that it can beta decay despite forming odd-odd isotope. But its halflife is 14 h - longer than U-239, exactly because it is even and daughter has to be odd-odd.
 

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