How does U 238 change to U 235 in natural in earth

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The discussion centers around the transformation and enrichment of uranium isotopes, specifically U-238 and U-235, in natural environments on Earth. Participants explore the processes involved in uranium enrichment, the origins of these isotopes, and the mechanisms that may lead to changes in their relative abundances.

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  • One participant questions how U-238 changes to U-235 in nature, suggesting a need for clarification on uranium enrichment processes.
  • Another participant asserts that U-238 does not change into U-235, noting that natural uranium ore contains approximately 0.72% U-235 and that enrichment involves separating U-235 from U-238.
  • A different perspective highlights that both U-235 and U-238 were created in roughly equal amounts through stellar nucleosynthesis, but differing decay rates have led to the current scarcity of U-235.
  • One participant introduces the idea of a natural conversion process where U-238 can capture a neutron to become U-239, which subsequently decays into plutonium and eventually U-235, though they emphasize that these processes are rare.
  • Discussion includes the rarity of neutron generation on Earth, with some participants questioning the frequency of these events and their impact on uranium isotopes.
  • Another participant mentions that uranium undergoes various chemical reactions that can lead to enrichment or depletion of isotopes, raising questions about the size of natural isotope effects on uranium compositions.

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Participants express differing views on whether U-238 can convert into U-235, with some asserting that it does not while others propose mechanisms that suggest a form of conversion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and significance of these processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of neutron generation and the chemical behavior of uranium, indicating that there may be significant limitations in understanding the natural processes affecting uranium isotopes.

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how does U 238 change to U 235 in nature earth

or how does uranium enrichment in nature
 
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U-238 doesn't change into U-235. Uranium ore contains about 0.72% U-235. To enrich uranium, you need to separate out U-235 from U-238.
 
The original stellar nucleosynthesis created U235 and U238 in about equal quantities.

Since they have different decay rates the U235 is much scarcer today.

For an interesting story read about the natural nuclear reactor at Oklo, Gabon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor
 
There is both a natural conversion of U-238 to U-235, and enrichment. Both are tiny effects.
U-238 may capture a neutron. Then it becomes U-239, which beta decays first to Np-239 then to Pu-239. Pu-239 then alpha decays to U-235.
Neutrons are rare on Earth outside reactors. They may come from cosmic rays, and in U deposits, they may come from spontaneous fission of U-238, or from nuclei that collide with alpha particles. How common are these effects? Spontaneous fission of U-238 happens roughly once per 2 million initial alpha decays of U-238... how frequent is neutron generation by alpha decay in nature, seeing that an U-238 emits 8 alphas in the chain to Pb-206?

And of course U is enriched or depleted in nature, just like H, C-12, N-14, O-16 or S-32 are enriched or depleted. U undergoes chemical reactions - it is sometimes oxidized and dissolved into UO2(2+) cation, sometimes reduced and precipitated as UO2. All these reactions have nonzero isotope effects.
What is the size of natural isotope effects of U isotope compositions?
 

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