The discussion centers on why kinetic energy is not classified as a fundamental force like the four known forces of nature (gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear). Participants explore the nature of kinetic energy, its relationship to forces, and the conceptual understanding of energy versus force.
Participants generally agree that kinetic energy is not a fundamental force, but there is disagreement on the clarity of the original question and the adequacy of responses provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conceptual understanding of forces and energy.
Some participants express that definitions alone do not facilitate understanding, indicating a potential limitation in the discussion's effectiveness for those unfamiliar with the terminology.
cmb said:I don't see how the scenario you describe justifies/evidences your statement.
What I would like to show you is that the difference between the two is the entropy in those two scenarios. It is the difference of entropy that is fundamental, to which both energy and force are 'emergent' and which are the concepts we use to 'codify' and comprehend the change of entropy in a dynamic system (that would otherwise be too difficult to manage mathematically, if we were only to talk about entropy).
Put it another way - without any change of entropy (actual, or incipient) there is no change of energy or motion, thus there is no force.
cmb said:I don't understand what you are saying, so I'll leave it there...