Why must E exceed Vmin(x) for normalizable solutions?

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The discussion centers around the conditions for normalizable solutions of the time-independent Schrödinger equation in the context of the infinite square well. Participants explore why the energy E must exceed the minimum value of the potential V(x) to ensure that the wavefunction can be normalized.

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  • One participant suggests that if E is less than or equal to the minimum value of V(x), then the wavefunction ψ and its second derivative ψ'' will have the same sign, leading to non-normalizability.
  • Another participant elaborates on this by discussing the implications at a critical point where the first derivative ψ' is zero, arguing that if ψ is positive at this point, then ψ'' must also be positive, resulting in an ever-increasing wavefunction away from this point.
  • A different perspective is offered through operator formalism, where it is noted that if the Hamiltonian is bounded from below and has a ground state, the energy eigenvalue cannot be zero but must be greater than zero to ensure normalizability.
  • Additional properties of a real-valued wavefunction are proposed, including continuity and the requirement that the wavefunction approaches zero as x approaches infinity, to support the argument for normalizability.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the conditions for normalizability, with no consensus reached on a definitive proof or approach. Multiple competing explanations and models are presented, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants mention the need for a formal proof and discuss the implications of different assumptions about the wavefunction, including its continuity and behavior at infinity. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved mathematical steps.

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Hi! I've been studying the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the infinite square well and was faced with this problem from Griffith's "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics". Rewriting the equation this way $$\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}=\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}[V(x)-E]\psi$$, I have to show that E must exceed the minimum value of V(x), otherwise $$\psi$$ and its second derivative will always have the same sign, which would compromise its normalization. Why is that? I've been thinking for awhile and can't come up with a good proof that such function cannot be normalized.
 
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RicardoMP said:
Hi! I've been studying the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the infinite square well and was faced with this problem from Griffith's "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics". Rewriting the equation this way $$\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}=\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}[V(x)-E]\psi$$, I have to show that E must exceed the minimum value of V(x), otherwise $$\psi$$ and its second derivative will always have the same sign, which would compromise its normalization. Why is that? I've been thinking for awhile and can't come up with a good proof that such function cannot be normalized.

As part of an answer, we could imagine the following.

If the function \psi(x) and its second derivative \psi''(x) had the same sign, then what would happen at a critical point x_0 where the first derivative \psi'(x_0)=0?

If \psi(x) were positive at this critical point, then \psi''(x) would have to be as well, so the wavefunction would be concave up.
Since \psi''(x_0)>0, the values of \psi(x) near x_0 would be larger than \psi(x_0), and \psi''(x) would never change sign.

As a result, the wavefunction would just get larger and larger farther away from the critical point. Since the wavefunction couldn't reach zero for extreme values of x, the wavefunction would not be normalizeable.

For a more complete proof, you could also consider whether a wavefunction could exist that had no critical points, and also what happens if the critical point(s) has a negative or zero sign.
 
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jfizzix said:
As part of an answer, we could imagine the following.

If the function \psi(x) and its second derivative \psi''(x) had the same sign, then what would happen at a critical point x_0 where the first derivative \psi'(x_0)=0?

If \psi(x) were positive at this critical point, then \psi''(x) would have to be as well, so the wavefunction would be concave up.
Since \psi''(x_0)>0, the values of \psi(x) near x_0 would be larger than \psi(x_0), and \psi''(x) would never change sign.

As a result, the wavefunction would just get larger and larger farther away from the critical point. Since the wavefunction couldn't reach zero for extreme values of x, the wavefunction would not be normalizeable.

For a more complete proof, you could also consider whether a wavefunction could exist that had no critical points, and also what happens if the critical point(s) has a negative or zero sign.
I see! Makes perfect sense! Thank you very much!
 
It's much easier to understand in the operator formalism, i.e., not expressing it in terms of the position representation (wave functions).

The Hamiltonian reads
$$\hat{H}=\hat{\vec{p}^2}{2m} + V(\hat{\vec{x}}).$$
If now ##V## is bounded from below, then so is the Hamiltonian, because the kinetic energy is positive semidefinite, and there's a ground state. Without loss of generality we can assume that the minimum value of ##V## is ##0##. Assume there's an energy eigenstate with ##E=0##, it must then be an eigenvector of ##\hat{\vec{p}}## with eigenvalues ##\vec{p}=0##, but a momentum eigenstate cannot be a normalizable state, because the momentum operator has a purely continuous spectrum. Thus if there is a bound ground state, its energy eigenvalue cannot be 0 but must be >0.
 
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RicardoMP said:
Hi! I've been studying the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the infinite square well and was faced with this problem from Griffith's "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics". Rewriting the equation this way $$\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}=\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}[V(x)-E]\psi$$, I have to show that E must exceed the minimum value of V(x), otherwise $$\psi$$ and its second derivative will always have the same sign, which would compromise its normalization. Why is that? I've been thinking for awhile and can't come up with a good proof that such function cannot be normalized.

Just to add to @jfizzix's answer. The following properties of a real-valued ##\Psi## are sufficient:

1) ##\Psi## is continuous on ##\mathbb{R}##.

2) ##\lim_{x \to \pm \infty} \Psi(x) = 0##

One way to start a formal proof is to note that, unless ##\Psi = 0##, ##\exists x_0## such that ##\Psi(x_0) \ne 0##. And, without loss of generality, you can assume ##\Psi(x_0) > 0##. From there, you can use the intermediate and mean-value theorems to show the existence of a local maximum with a positive value - and that contradicts the "same-sign" property.

The case for a complex-valued ##\Psi## follows from the real-valued case.
 
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