Why no attribution to Bohm regarding holographic principles

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The discussion revolves around the attribution of ideas related to the holographic universe and the contributions of David Bohm. Participants explore the connections between Bohm's concepts, such as the Holomovement, and the modern interpretations of holographic principles, particularly in the context of works by Leonard Susskind and Lee Smolin.

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  • Some participants assert that David Bohm was a significant proponent of the Holographic Universe and the Holomovement.
  • Others argue that Bohm's concept of Holomovement is distinct from the contemporary holographic universe ideas and question the relevance of his contributions to current discussions.
  • One participant notes that Bohm's interpretation of quantum mechanics is not widely taken seriously today, suggesting it does not enhance predictive power.
  • A participant mentions that a quick search did not reveal reasons for Bohm's lack of credit in modern literature, but references his holonomic model of the brain as potentially related to holographic ideas.
  • Another participant emphasizes that Susskind and Smolin are addressing different concepts despite the similar terminology, highlighting Bohm's principle of interconnectedness versus Smolin's focus on locality.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of Bohm's ideas to the holographic universe, with no consensus on whether he should be credited for these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the connections and distinctions between the various interpretations.

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Some limitations include the lack of clarity on how Bohm's ideas relate to modern theories and the potential misinterpretation of terms that may lead to confusion among participants.

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As I have seen, David Bohm was the exponent of the Holographic Universe and also the so called Holomovement.

When Leonard Susskind gave a holograohic Universe solution to the information paradox, he did not credit Bohm. Nor does Lee Smolin in his book Quantum Gravity credit Bohm for saying that there are no things only happenings (no nouns only verbs)- paper is papering etc.??
Does anyone know why?
 
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rjay said:
As I have seen, David Bohm was the exponent of the Holographic Universe and also the so called Holomovement.

When Leonard Susskind gave a holograohic Universe solution to the information paradox, he did not credit Bohm. Nor does Lee Smolin in his book Quantum Gravity credit Bohm for saying that there are no things only happenings (no nouns only verbs)- paper is papering etc.??
Does anyone know why?
Despite the similar names, I don't think Bohm's idea of "Holomovement" had anything at all to do with the modern idea of a holographic universe. I don't think anybody takes Bohm's interpretation of quantum mechanics seriously any longer, as it adds a number of features to the theory which add nothing whatsoever to its predictive power.
 
A quick skimming in wiki did not turn up any reasons why Bohm should be credited...but I did not read it all...Seems Bohm's idea about brain function is related to holograpic ideas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm#The_holonomic_model_of_the_brain

Lots about him there..and some funny stuff like how he was barred from his own PHD thesis because it became classified...

In the above section, "holomonic model" has more...
 
rjay said:
When Leonard Susskind gave a holograohic Universe solution to the information paradox, he did not credit Bohm. Nor does Lee Smolin in his book Quantum Gravity credit Bohm for saying that there are no things only happenings (no nouns only verbs)- paper is papering etc.??
Does anyone know why?

Because they are talking about two different things with confusingly similar names.

Bohm's principle was that everything is connected with everything else. Smolin is quite the opposite, you can know everything about a location in space by looking at the surface.
 

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