Why quantum physics like a math theory till a physics theory

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The discussion centers around the nature of quantum physics and its relationship to mathematics, particularly questioning whether quantum physics adequately describes phenomena or merely provides mathematical equations involving hypothetical objects. Participants explore the implications of this perspective and its relevance to practical applications.

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the original question, particularly the use of the term "phoneme," which is later clarified to "phenomenon."
  • One participant argues that quantum theory is a well-established physical theory that accurately describes a wide range of phenomena, despite its mathematical nature.
  • Another participant suggests that quantum physics does not provide direct observations of atomic and molecular systems but rather relies on indirect measurements that align with theoretical predictions.
  • A participant proposes that the critique of quantum theory may parallel historical critiques of Newton's gravitational theory, suggesting a perceived lack of underlying mechanisms.
  • There is mention of practical applications of quantum theory, such as in computer processors and memory storage, highlighting the potential for future advancements based on quantum mechanics.
  • One participant criticizes another for not researching the applications of quantum mechanics, implying that many phenomena can only be explained through quantum theory.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the original question, and multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of quantum physics and its explanatory power. The discussion reflects a mix of confusion, clarification, and differing opinions on the relationship between mathematics and physical phenomena in quantum theory.

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The discussion is complicated by language barriers, which may affect the clarity of questions and responses. Some assumptions about the terminology used and the understanding of quantum mechanics are not fully resolved.

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why quantum physics like a math theory till a physics theory,it never describe a of phoneme ?
it write equation between many Hypothetical objects!
 
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I don't understand your question. Quantum theory is the most comprehensive physical theory today. It is very well tested and explains correctly a wast amount of phenomena from elementary particle physics, nuclear physics, atomic and molecular physics, condensed-matter physics, and quantum optics and electronics. Of course, it's very mathematical but it is very well founded on observational physics.
 
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It describes in great detail and with exquisite accuracy the behavior of atomic and subatomic particles.

[EDIT] Beat me to it.
 
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stackprogramer said:
it never describe a of phoneme ?

Eh, what? :oldconfused:
 
stackprogramer said:
why quantum physics like a math theory till a physics theory,it never describe a of phoneme ?
it write equation between many Hypothetical objects!

Unless you typed this via telepathy, the VERY device you are using works due to quantum mechanics. This device looks hypothetical to you?

Zz.
 
Eh, what? :oldconfused:
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sorry,my mean was it never portraits a phoneme ?real image of phoneme!
 
I'm still confused about what you mean by "phoneme". Here's what I understand by it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoneme

Or are you really talking about quantum-mechanical analysis of human speech? :wideeyed:
 
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you are right,Phenomenon not phenome , i was wrong excuse me ,thanks for attention.
 
Ah, "phenomenon". Now it's obvious to me, but before this, it wasn't. Besides physics, I'm also interested in languages, so I got stuck on that word. Carry on...
 
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stackprogramer said:
real image of phoneme!
You need a camera or any other apparatus with similar function to capture a phenomenon, not a quantum physics. Direct observation of atomic and molecular systems may not be achievable with today's technology, but researchers worldwide have devised various ways to observe the "interior" of atoms and molecules indirectly, and their measurements agree well with the theories of quantum physics up to the uncontrollable sources of error.
 
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I think he's asking about practical uses of quantum theory, like computer processors or something like that.
 
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stackprogramer, can you try to clarify your question? I recognize that English is probably not your first language, but it would help if you could explain your question more. Can you give us a specific example of a phenomenon that is related to your question?
 
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Maybe it's the same kind of critique Newton got for his grav.theory, that the underlying mechanism is lacking in the theory and it is more of a mathematical description.
 
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stackprogramer, can you try to clarify your question? I recognize that English is probably not your first language, but it would help if you could explain your question more. Can you give us a specific example of a phenomenon that is related to your question?
really i am not a Physicist,i am only likes physics and math.ok i sended an example
I think he's asking about practical uses of quantum theory, like computer processors or something like that.
you guessed right.

hi dears ,thanks for your attention ,
it is an example.
i explain more now.we have memory flash 16 Gigabyte.every one know we use transistor collection cell (like flip-flop) for saving a bit,size of our flash is about a thumb.16 giga is 16 *10^9*8 bit,if we have a theory ,that illustrate motion of electron,like determine spin of a electron.wait ...
now we have for a 1cm^3 Si ,we have about 4*10 ^22 atom,if we use atom for saving byte ,
now we have more 10 ^22 byte i.e. 10^10 TB for a mini flash ,its has not any limitation.
we a day or Tomorrow's need like a theory that illustrate every one,and .....

Thank you that you tolerate me, goodluck
 
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@stackprogramer, I'm going to criticize you for being lazy. You could have easily googled something like "applications of quantum mechanics" and you would have been inundated by tons of examples of real "phenomena" that can only be accurately described by it. The whole field of solid state physics, which is responsible for your computers, mobile phones, etc.. sprang out of quantum mechanics!

Zz.
 
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jtbell said:
Ah, "phenomenon". Now it's obvious to me, but before this, it wasn't. Besides physics, I'm also interested in languages, so I got stuck on that word. Carry on...
It seems he is Chinese, so bear with him.
 
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Thread closed pending moderation

[Added by another mentor] I think we'd better leave this closed because the language barrier appears to be too high for understanding the OP's questions.
 
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