Why we can perform normal ordering?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of ignoring commutators of certain operators in the quantization of the Hamiltonian for the Klein Gordon Field. This is allowed because the difference between "default" ordered and normal ordered free Hamiltonian is a c-number constant that does not affect physical quantities. The discussion also touches on the need for defining operator ordering and the role of additive conserved quantities in interpretible relativistic dynamics of quantum field theory. The concept of renormalization is also mentioned as a way to deal with divergences in the calculations. Some recommended resources for further understanding are provided.
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In quantum field theory, when quantising the Klein Gordon field reorder some operators without caring of their commutators for the hamiltonian
As explained in the summary, it seems that the commutators of some operators (creation and anihilation) can be ignored when quantising the hamiltonian of the Klein Gordon Field. I wonder why we are allowed to do such a thing.
Is that possible because we are solely within a semiquantum (semiclassical) level? But if this was the case, how can one know which commutators can be ignored and which cannot? Or may be all of them can be ignored?
I need some help on this.

Thanks in advance.
 
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The difference between "default" ordered and normal ordered free Hamiltonian is a c-number constant that does not depend on fields or any dynamic variables. This constant does not influence any physical quantity, which is the reason why we can ignore it.
 
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All you need to describe quantized free fields is to realize the Poincare-Lie algebra with help of local fields, i.e., to define the Hamiltonian (energy), momentum, angular-momentum and boost operators.

You can use canonical quantization, i.e., use the Lagrangian for the KG equation, calculate the canonial field momenta and assume the equal-time commutation relations (for bosons, since trying it with anticommutation relations for fermions leads to a contradiction with microcausality of the local observables and boundedness of the Hamiltonian from below).

Then you have an operator ordering problem, and you have to define the operator ordering when multiplying field operators to get finite total energy, momentum, and angular momentum. So it is not a priori clear, how to write the densities of the said additive conserved quantities (a la Noether from Poincare symmetry) known from the corresponding classical field theory in terms of local field operators.

To have an interpretible relativistic dynamics of the quantum field theory all you need is that the corresponding total self-adjoint operators of these conserved quantities fulfill the Lie algebra of the Poincare group. So all that counts are commutation relations between these operators and thus additive contribution proportional to the unit operator are irrelevant.

Now writing down these operators in a naive way using their classical counterparts as educated guess leads to divergences, but these can be removed by subtracting an expression proportional to the unit operator. This subtraction ("renormalization") can be formalized in terms of a definition of how the operators should be ordered when calculating the products of field operators to define these conserved quantities, and that's "normal ordering", i.e., putting all creation operators to the left and all annihilation operators to the right. The result are well-defined operators of total energy, momentum, and angular momentum (as well as the generators of Lorentz boosts) obeying the commutation relations as they should in order to build a unitary representation of the proper orthochronous Poincare group, as was our goal from the very beginning.

That's of course pretty "hand waving" and it's simply a sloppy shortcut of physicists dealing with local operators and their products. There are more rigorous treatments like "causal perturbation theory" a la Epstein and Glaser. A very nice book using this approach is

G. Scharf, Finite Quantum Electrodynamics, Springer-Verlag (1989).
 
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Demystifier said:
The difference between "default" ordered and normal ordered free Hamiltonian is a c-number constant that does not depend on fields or any dynamic variables. This constant does not influence any physical quantity, which is the reason why we can ignore it.
Get it, thanks!
 
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vanhees71 said:
All you need to describe quantized free fields is to realize the Poincare-Lie algebra with help of local fields, i.e., to define the Hamiltonian (energy), momentum, angular-momentum and boost operators.

You can use canonical quantization, i.e., use the Lagrangian for the KG equation, calculate the canonial field momenta and assume the equal-time commutation relations (for bosons, since trying it with anticommutation relations for fermions leads to a contradiction with microcausality of the local observables and boundedness of the Hamiltonian from below).

Then you have an operator ordering problem, and you have to define the operator ordering when multiplying field operators to get finite total energy, momentum, and angular momentum. So it is not a priori clear, how to write the densities of the said additive conserved quantities (a la Noether from Poincare symmetry) known from the corresponding classical field theory in terms of local field operators.

To have an interpretible relativistic dynamics of the quantum field theory all you need is that the corresponding total self-adjoint operators of these conserved quantities fulfill the Lie algebra of the Poincare group. So all that counts are commutation relations between these operators and thus additive contribution proportional to the unit operator are irrelevant.

Now writing down these operators in a naive way using their classical counterparts as educated guess leads to divergences, but these can be removed by subtracting an expression proportional to the unit operator. This subtraction ("renormalization") can be formalized in terms of a definition of how the operators should be ordered when calculating the products of field operators to define these conserved quantities, and that's "normal ordering", i.e., putting all creation operators to the left and all annihilation operators to the right. The result are well-defined operators of total energy, momentum, and angular momentum (as well as the generators of Lorentz boosts) obeying the commutation relations as they should in order to build a unitary representation of the proper orthochronous Poincare group, as was our goal from the very beginning.

That's of course pretty "hand waving" and it's simply a sloppy shortcut of physicists dealing with local operators and their products. There are more rigorous treatments like "causal perturbation theory" a la Epstein and Glaser. A very nice book using this approach is

G. Scharf, Finite Quantum Electrodynamics, Springer-Verlag (1989).
Many thanks for your explanation!
 

1. Why is normal ordering important in scientific calculations?

Normal ordering is important because it allows us to properly account for the commutation relations of operators in quantum mechanics. This is essential for accurately predicting the behavior of particles and systems at the microscopic level.

2. What is the purpose of normal ordering in quantum field theory?

In quantum field theory, normal ordering is used to remove infinite constants that arise from the creation and annihilation of particles. This allows us to obtain finite and physically meaningful results in calculations.

3. How does normal ordering affect the energy spectrum of a quantum system?

Normal ordering plays a crucial role in determining the energy spectrum of a quantum system. By properly ordering the operators, we can obtain the correct energy levels and understand the behavior of the system at different energy states.

4. Can normal ordering be applied to all types of operators?

Yes, normal ordering can be applied to all types of operators in quantum mechanics and quantum field theory. This includes creation and annihilation operators, as well as other types of operators such as position and momentum operators.

5. Is normal ordering a mathematically rigorous procedure?

Yes, normal ordering is a mathematically rigorous procedure that follows specific rules and conventions. It is a widely accepted method in quantum mechanics and has been proven to be essential in obtaining accurate results in calculations.

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