Will ionized particulates mimic ionized oxygen atoms?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of ionized particulates, specifically dust, in the context of magnetoplasmadynamic thrusters. Participants explore whether charged dust could mimic the behavior of ionized oxygen atoms in plasma generation and thrust production, considering the implications for voltage requirements and thrust efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that introducing charged particulates into a thruster could reduce the voltage required for plasma generation while still producing thrust.
  • Another participant argues that dust is not easily ionized due to its larger mass and slower molecular speeds compared to oxygen, which complicates its use as a substitute.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on whether the difficulty in charging dust is primarily due to its mass.
  • Another participant suggests that while adding dust might increase the amount of fuel, using less voltage would reduce the overall thrust power.
  • One participant notes that there is a field of plasma physics focused on dusty plasmas, indicating that the dynamics involving charged particulates can differ significantly from those of regular plasmas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using charged dust in thrusters, with some highlighting significant challenges while others suggest potential benefits. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the types of dust and their ionization properties, as well as the relationship between thrust, ion speed, and voltage. These factors are not fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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Say you built a magnetic array, and two long electrodes running perpendicular to the magnetic field, whose electric field is then perpendicular both the electrodes and the array. Most magnetoplasmadynamic thrusters (built as previously described) then send current at an enormous voltage through the electrodes to ionize the air in between to create electrically conductive plasma, which then accelerates down the length of the electrode, creating thrust. My question is, if charged particulates (dust or something of the like) were introduced into the thruster, would they mimic the behavior of the plasma whilst requiring much less voltage?
 
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Eh, the dust is not easily ionized. Oxygen works because molecular speeds are in the hundreds of m/s, while dust is much slower.

Plus it depends on what type of "dust" you are referring to, if it is some ionic compound then good luck ionizing it.
 
so it's due to the dust's large mass that it's difficult to charge and use as a substitute?
 
I believe the amount of thrust is directly related to the speed of the ions and the amount of fuel you are pushing through. Inserting dust into the thruster might increase the "amount" of fuel you are pushing through, but using less voltage would simply lessen the power of the thrust.
 
there is a discipline of plasma physics that deals specifically with dusty plasmas. These are plasmas which contain charged particulates, similar to what you described. The dynamics of dusty plasmas is often very different from regular plasmas. Many dust particles will charge negative (perhaps due to triboelectric charging) so you in in essence end up with plasma containing really heavy "electrons".
 

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