Will level of liquid increase if ice melts in it?

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The discussion centers on the question of how the level of liquid changes when ice melts in it, specifically examining water and other liquids such as oil and mercury. Participants explore both intuitive and mathematical understandings of the phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the level of water does not change when ice melts because the volume displaced by the ice is equal to its weight, and this remains consistent after melting.
  • Another participant inquires about the behavior of ice melting in oil, seeking clarification on whether the level of oil would change.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that when ice melts in oil, the resulting water would sink, leading to a decrease in the liquid level since water is denser than oil.
  • It is noted that the melting of ice in water could also affect the water's temperature and volume, depending on the initial temperature of the water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the level of liquid does not change when ice melts in water. However, there is disagreement regarding the behavior of ice melting in other liquids, such as oil, with competing views on whether the liquid level would rise or fall.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the intuitive understanding of these concepts, and there are unresolved questions regarding the effects of temperature changes on liquid levels.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring fluid mechanics, buoyancy, and phase changes in various liquids.

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How will the level of liqid change if ice melts in it?
If its water then there is no change - i know this will happen but i don't understand it( intuitively )

Moving on to other liquids - like oil and mercury - what will happen to their levels?
Please help me understand

I actually did find the result for water by writing equations but i do not understand it intuitively - same for others. Thank you
 
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Assuming the cross-section is constant, the level of water can be said to be directly proportional to the volume of water + volume of water displaced due to the solid object. Now, the solid object here is ice, which is lighter than water, and hence, the volume displaced by it is equal to the weight of the ice cube (since the other portion is then out of water.) Now, when the ice melts, the weight does not change, and hence, the level does not change since the density of ice is less than water. The important facts here are:
1. Ice is lighter than water hence, the displacement is equal to the weight
2. Ice melts into water and not some other liquid whose density is different and hence, the displacement of weight is equal to the displacement of volume after melting.
 
Thanx a lot
But could you do the same thing for another liquid like oil
Ice floating in oil? What would happen when ice melts - would help me a lot - thank you
 
Any object floating in a liquid displaces a volume of the liquid corresponding to the mass of the object.
If it changes state but still floats then there will be no change to the level of liquid.
Water ice floating on oil, then melting, would sink, water being heavier than (most if not all) oil. It would therefore be displacing less volume than before and the level would drop.
In fact, it's not quite straightforward with ice floating in water. The melting ice will cool the water, causing it to shrink slightly if warmer than 4C, or expand slightly if cooler.
 
Thank you!
 

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