Will space always expand when the space has vacuum energy and zero mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which space expands in the context of vacuum energy and mass, specifically examining models of eternal inflation. Participants explore the relationship between vacuum energy, negative pressure, and the expansion of space.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether space always expands when there is vacuum energy and zero mass, seeking clarification on this assumption.
  • Another participant asserts that space will expand when there is negative vacuum pressure, referencing the inflationary period.
  • Some participants argue that the vacuum energy during inflation was positive, challenging the notion that negative pressure is the primary factor for expansion.
  • There is a discussion about the inflaton field's role in transitioning from a false vacuum to a true vacuum, with some clarifying that the true vacuum is of lower energy than the false vacuum.
  • Participants express confusion over the implications of negative pressure and its relation to the inflaton field's state, with one participant acknowledging a misunderstanding in their previous statements.
  • External references are provided to support claims about eternal inflation and its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of vacuum energy during inflation, with some asserting it is positive while others discuss the implications of negative pressure. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question of whether space always expands under the specified conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of vacuum energy and pressure, as well as the assumptions underlying the models of inflation being discussed.

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I am examining various models of eternal inflation and I want to double check one of my assumptions, which is that space always expands when the space has vacuum energy and zero mass. Is this correct? Will space always expand when the space has vacuum energy and zero mass? Thank you.
 
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james.goetz said:
I am examining various models of eternal inflation and I want to double check one of my assumptions, which is that space always expands when the space has vacuum energy and zero mass. Is this correct? Will space always expand when the space has vacuum energy and zero mass? Thank you.

James, space will expand when there is a negative vacuum pressure, such as there was during inflation.

Inflation posits that the inflaton field, while in a false vacuum, exerted a negative pressure and decayed to a true vacuum. Once it reaches the true vacuum, it decays into a hot bath of radiation which would give birth to the particles of the standard model. In eternal inflation, the decay rate of the inflaton field is lower than the rate of expansion, so that the universe continually undergoes inflation, producing numerous 'pocket universes'.
 
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Mark M said:
James, space will expand when there is a negative vacuum energy, such as there was during inflation.
This is not correct. The vacuum energy during inflation was positive. Are you mistakenly referring to the negative pressure of the vacuum?

James, a vacuum energy-dominated universe will expand always.

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...while in a false vacuum, exerted a negative pressure to decay to a true vacuum
Also, I think this statement is a little confusing, since you seem to be implying that it is a result of the negative pressure that the field finds its way to the true vacuum. This is also not the case -- it is simply that the true vacuum is of lower energy than the false vacuum, and the inflaton, through quantum/thermal fluctuations, tends to find its way down to the true vacuum.
 
bapowell said:
This is not correct. The vacuum energy during inflation was positive. Are you mistakenly referring to the negative pressure of the vacuum?

James, a vacuum energy-dominated universe will expand always.

EDIT:
...while in a false vacuum, exerted a negative pressure to decay to a true vacuum

Also, I think this statement is a little confusing, since you seem to be implying that it is a result of the negative pressure that the field finds its way to the true vacuum. This is also not the case -- it is simply that the true vacuum is of lower energy than the false vacuum, and the inflaton, through quantum/thermal fluctuations, tends to find its way down to the true vacuum.

Hi bapowell, thank you for clarifying that positive vacuum energy causes space to expand. By the way, I never said "...while in a false vacuum, exerted a negative pressure to decay to a true vacuum."
 
bapowell said:
This is not correct. The vacuum energy during inflation was positive. Are you mistakenly referring to the negative pressure of the vacuum?

Thanks for correcting, that is what I actually meant. I'll fix that now.

Also, I think this statement is a little confusing, since you seem to be implying that it is a result of the negative pressure that the field finds its way to the true vacuum. This is also not the case -- it is simply that the true vacuum is of lower energy than the false vacuum, and the inflaton, through quantum/thermal fluctuations, tends to find its way down to the true vacuum.

The negative pressure results because of the inflaton field being a state of false vacuum, correct? I'll change my wording to make sure I get this point across. Thanks.
james.goetz said:
By the way, I never said "...while in a false vacuum, exerted a negative pressure to decay to a true vacuum."
He was speaking to me, I used the word 'to' which implies the decay was a direct cause of the negative pressure. And as bapowell said, the negative pressure is related to the inflaton field being in the false vacuum, and decayed because of standard processes.
 

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