Will stars on the other side of the galaxy affect gravity here?

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The discussion centers around the gravitational effects of distant stars on the Sun, particularly focusing on whether stars located on the other side of the galaxy significantly influence gravity at our location. Participants explore concepts from General Relativity, the nature of gravitational interactions, and the cumulative effects of mass in the galaxy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that intervening mass does not block gravitational attraction but rather diminishes it with distance.
  • Others argue that while a distant star has a negligible effect on the Sun, it still contributes to the overall gravitational field.
  • A participant suggests that the main gravitational influence on the Sun comes from Sagittarius A, but acknowledges that other nearby masses also play a significant role.
  • There is a discussion about the cumulative effect of many stars, where one participant notes that the mass of a single star becomes negligible when considering the total mass of the galaxy.
  • Some participants question the calculations regarding gravitational acceleration from various distributions of stars at different distances, highlighting potential inconsistencies in reasoning.
  • General Relativity is referenced as positing that gravity is a geometric property of spacetime, influencing how participants understand gravitational interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that distant stars have a negligible effect on the Sun's gravity, primarily due to distance. However, there is no consensus on the extent of influence from other masses or how to quantify these effects, leading to multiple competing views.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations of gravitational effects and the assumptions underlying their reasoning, particularly in relation to the distances and masses involved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring gravitational theory, the implications of General Relativity, or the dynamics of mass distribution in galaxies.

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Will the gravity of stars on the other side of Sagittarius not be blocked?
Does intervening mass between two stars decrease the gravitational attraction between these two stars?
Is gravity a local phenomenon in that local mass interacts with the surrounding gravitational field caused by the local star and distant stars?
 
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What have you read about the extent of gravitational effect for a given object? What does General Relativity say that gravity IS ?
 
I know I'm making it easy, but the simple answer here is "no", gravity doesn't get "blocked", it just decreases with distance. And yes, the galaxy's overall gravitational field is the sum of its parts.
 
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russ_watters said:
I know I'm making it easy

Nothing wrong with that.
 
If I say that a star on the other side of the galaxy has an almost negligible effect on our Sun. The main gravitational effect is due to Sagittarius. Is this statement correct?

Answering what General Relativity is: General relativity posits that gravity is a geometric property of four-dimensional spacetime. The curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by a system of partial differential equations. (Which I read about, but which are way above my level.)

Thanks for your clarification.
 
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If I say that a star on the other side of the galaxy has an almost negligible effect on our Sun. The main gravitational effect is due to Sagittarius. Is this statement correct?
Yes, but not because anything is "in the way" of its effect, just because it's so far away.

Answering what General Relativity is: General relativity posits that gravity is a geometric property of four-dimensional spacetime.
Exactly, which is why one thing doesn't have any effect on the gravitational impact of another thing, although their effects would be additive and a closer one will have a bigger effect (give similarities in mass).

Looked at another (simplistic) way, you can block EM radiation, but you can't block geometry and gravitational waves are geometry.
 
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KurtLudwig said:
If I say that a star on the other side of the galaxy has an almost negligible effect on our Sun. The main gravitational effect is due to Sagittarius. Is this statement correct?
It is correct, in that you say main effect - but notice that it is not exclusive of that distant star. That star still has an influence.

In the grand scheme of things - 'the other side of our galaxy' is pretty much next door, compared to say, the stars of the Andromeda galaxy. They too have an effect on our galaxy (and thereby on our Sun), even though they're 25 times farther away.

And then recall that even whole galaxy clusters affect each other with their gravity. It's all just stars affecting other stars.
 
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KurtLudwig said:
If I say that a star on the other side of the galaxy has an almost negligible effect on our Sun. The main gravitational effect is due to Sagittarius. Is this statement correct?
There are a hundred billion stars in the Milky Way, plus their satellites, black holes, dark matter, stray gases, etc. So sure, the fraction of that total mass carried by any one star is "negligible". It's possible to calculate exactly how negligible by picking a hypothetical star or a given mass and distance from Earth.
 
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IOW, negligible - times 100 billion (or even just 10 billion) - is no longer negligible.
 
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It would be an interesting exercise for the OP to work out what the gravitational acceleration would be of some fraction of stars at some set distance from Sol.

For example:
1010 stars at a distance of 105 light years
has the same attraction as
104 stars at a distance of 102 light years.
or
1 star at a distance of 1 light year.

(That can't be right. That means 10% of the galaxy on the far side of the galaxy has more effect (4x more) on Sol than Alpha Centauri!)
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Rationale:

Num.(Sol=1)    Dist (ly)
10^10           10^5
10^8            10^4
10^6            10^3
10^4            10^2
10^2            10^1
10^0            10^0
 
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KurtLudwig said:
If I say that a star on the other side of the galaxy has an almost negligible effect on our Sun. The main gravitational effect is due to Sagittarius. Is this statement correct?
While Sagittarius A has a larger effect than that one star, the combined mass of all the matter closer to the center of the Galaxy than the Sun has an effect on the Sun's orbit many magnitudes greater than Sagittarius A alone does.
 
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