Will the kinetic energy operator change with a variable shift?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of a variable change in the Hamiltonian operator, specifically focusing on the kinetic energy operator in the context of angular variables. Participants explore whether the kinetic energy operator changes when a constant shift is applied to the variable.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the kinetic energy operator changes when the variable ##\theta## is shifted by a constant ##k##, presenting the old and new forms of the operator.
  • Another participant argues that if ##\theta## is an angular variable, the expression for kinetic energy may not be correct, while suggesting that for Cartesian coordinates, the operators yield the same result when applied to a function.
  • A later reply clarifies that the Hamiltonian pertains to a plane rotator and emphasizes the use of inertia ##I## instead of mass ##m##, indicating that the variable is indeed angular.
  • Another participant confirms that the derivative relationship holds true for any variable ##\theta## and constant ##k##, supporting the earlier claim about the equivalence of the operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the kinetic energy expression based on the nature of the variable (angular vs. Cartesian). There is no consensus on whether the kinetic energy operator changes with the variable shift, as the discussion reflects competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the variable type (angular vs. Cartesian) and the distinction between mass and inertia in the context of the Hamiltonian, which may affect the interpretation of the kinetic energy operator.

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Hello everybody,

A special problem constrain me to make a variable change in my Hamiltonian operator, so with the kinetic energy operator, I have a doubt.
The variable change is: ## \theta \longrightarrow (\theta + k) ## (where ##k## is a constant).
And the kinetic energy operator change as :
$$ \hat{T}_{old}=\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta^2} \,\, \longrightarrow \,\, \hat{T}_{new}=\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{\partial}{\partial (\theta+k)^2} $$

When ##\hat{T}_{old}## and ##\hat{T}_{new}## operate respectively onto a function, say ##\psi(\theta)##, will I have two different results?Thank you very much.
 
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If ##\theta## is an angular variable, such as the ##\theta## in cylindrical coordinates, then that is not the correct expression of kinetic energy. If ##\theta## is a normal cartesian position coordinate, then those operators produce the same result when operating on a function, as you can deduce from the equation ##\frac{d}{d\theta} = \frac{d(\theta+k)}{d\theta}\frac{d}{d(\theta + k)}=\frac{d}{d(\theta + k)}##
 
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This hamiltonian is for a plane rotator (polar coordinate whith fixed-##r##). I should have mentioned inertia ##I## instead of mass ##m##.
So it is about an angular variable ##\theta##. Is something change with respect to your answer in the Cartesian coordinate case?

Thanks.
 
Yes, if you use ##I## instead of ##m##, the expression is correct. The derivative ##\frac{d}{d\theta}## is equal to ##\frac{d}{d(\theta + k)}## for any variable ##\theta## and constant ##k##.
 
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