Win A Dollar by Making a Wise Statement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a puzzle involving a game where participants must make a statement to win a coin, specifically a dollar. The statements made by participants are analyzed for their truth value and implications, leading to various interpretations and logical reasoning. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and playful debate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if their statement is false, they would receive nothing, raising questions about the nature of truth in the statements made.
  • Another participant humorously asserts that they will win neither a penny nor a dime, prompting further analysis of the implications of such a statement.
  • Some participants engage in logical analysis, expressing statements in mathematical terms and exploring the consequences of truth and falsehood in the context of the game.
  • A participant proposes a statement that leads to a paradox, suggesting that if the statement is false, it must be true, creating a contradiction.
  • Another participant offers a different statement that also leads to a logical conclusion about the outcome of the game.
  • One participant humorously claims that they will receive a dollar or nothing, indicating a playful approach to the puzzle.
  • A further contribution involves a complex statement that attempts to navigate the rules of the game through logical reasoning, suggesting that the outcome hinges on the truth of the statement made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of interpretations and logical analyses of the statements, with no clear consensus on the best approach or solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the statements and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of logical constructs and may depend on the definitions of truth and falsehood within the context of the game. The discussion includes playful and complex reasoning that may not lead to a definitive outcome.

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Win A Dollar!

I have a penny, a dime and a dollar (coin)
you are allowed to make 1 statement. if it is true, i will give you A coin. if it is false, you get laughed at and no coin. what do you say to me to get the dollar?
 
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I won't win neither a penny nor a dime... :-)
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wait, but what if your statement is false? then you get nothing... I am not sure that's right...
 
Rogerio said:
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... :-)

Tough Luck Rogerio, however ...
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Thwarted by the Boolean grammar police.
 
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T@P said:
wait, but what if your statement is false? then you get nothing... I am not sure that's right...

If my statement is false?
Then I would get nothing...

...and, in this case, are you really sure my statement would be false?

Think a little bit more, and tell me your conclusion...:-)
 
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thanks rogerio, i get it now :)

also BobG, is the "you" supposed to be an "i"? anyway thanks for the post
 
Where can I collect my dollar? :-p
 
you'll get the dollar if (and only if ;) you supply the dollar, dime, and penny first and then make your statement :)
 
Rogerio said:
If my statement is false?
Then I would get nothing...

...and, in this case, are you really sure my statement would be false?

Think a little bit more, and tell me your conclusion...:-)

Looking at it analytically, if you said "I will win neither a penny or a dime", you could express this in the following equation:

\overline {P} + \overline {D}

Changing the word 'will' to 'won't', you get:

\overline{\overline {P} + \overline {D}}

which is equivalent to:

P + D

or the statement "I will win a penny or a dime."

I think what you meant to say is:

"I definitely will be unsuccessful in not being unvictorious in my quest not to win neither a not dime nor a penny knot unless I am not able to not guess incorrectly."

Or something like that if I'm not totally incorrect in my lack of thinking. :confused:
 
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BobG said:
Looking at it analytically, if you said "I will win neither a penny or a dime", you could express this in the following equation:

\overline {P} + \overline {D}

...

Sorry, but "I won't win neither a penny nor a dime" means
"I won't win a penny" AND "I won't win a dime" . :smile:
 
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Here is another right answer:

"If this statement is true, you will give me the dollar."

Assume the statement is false. So the precedent is false so the statement is true. So (by contradiction) the statement is not false, so it is true. And since it is true, you will give me the dollar.
 
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the answer-

i'll get a dolar or nothing.
 
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"You will give me neither the penny, no the dime, nor the dollar, nor a million dollars."

If I`m right, you`ll have to give me a coin, contrary to my statement being true. So it has to be false.
That means you will give me one of the coins or a million dollars.
Since you can't give one of the coins for a false statement, you will give me a million dollars.

So cough it up! :!)
 
  • #14
Hehe I like that answer.
 

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