Winning Tennis with Probability 0.3 and 0.7

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of winning a tennis game starting from the Deuce score (40-40) with given probabilities of winning individual points (0.3 for one player and 0.7 for the opponent). Participants explore various mathematical approaches and models to derive this probability.

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  • One participant proposes a method involving independent trials to calculate the probability of winning, arriving at an approximate probability of 15.51%.
  • Another participant suggests working out the states and the state transition probability matrix, identifying states such as Deuce, Ad-In, Ad-Out, and Game.
  • A different approach is mentioned, focusing on conditional probabilities and establishing a linear system of equations based on the states.
  • One participant introduces a shortcut that involves considering two points played at a time, leading to a formula for the probability of winning the game based on the point-winning probability.
  • Another participant reiterates the shortcut method, providing an alternative perspective on calculating the probability of winning in two points.

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Participants present multiple approaches and models for calculating the probability of winning, with no consensus reached on a single method or result. The discussion remains unresolved with various viewpoints and calculations offered.

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Some methods rely on assumptions about the independence of trials and the structure of the game states, which may not be universally accepted. The calculations also depend on the definitions of states and transitions, which are not fully agreed upon.

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Hi,

What is your probability of winning a game of tennis, starting from the even score Deuce (40-40), if your probability of winning each point is 0.3 and your opponent’s is 0.7?

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My answer:
I think the sequence of independent trials are required to win a game of tennis starting from even score Deuce(40-40),each of which is a success with probability (0.3 × 0.3 =0.09) or a failure with probability (0.7 × 0.3 + 0.7 × 0.3 =0.42). Suppose, the independent trials to win a game of tennis are n. That means after (n-1) trials of failures, the nth trial is success.

$$ \displaystyle\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} 0.09 \cdot (0.42)^n =\lim_{n \to \infty}\frac{0.09\cdot ( 1 - 0.42^n)}{1- 0.42}= 0.15517 $$ = 15.51 %
 
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Have you worked out the states and the state transition probability matrix?
I see the states as
Deuce, Ad-In, Ad-Out, Game

with Game being an absorbing state.
 
Write out all the conditional probabilites P(W|X) where X = A, B, D. You will have a linear system of three unknowns and three equations, which can be solved by standard methods.

For example: If you are in state B, you must win the next point to have any chance of winning. If you lose the point you lose the game, so
P(W|B) = q P(W|D)
because if you do win the point (which you do with probability q), then you will be in state D and your probability of winning will be P(W|D).
 
There is a useful shortcut in considering two point played at a time. If the probability of winning a point is ##p##, then the probability of winning the game (##P##) satisfies:
$$P = p^2 + 2p(1-p)P$$Hence$$P = \frac{p^2}{2p^2 - 2p + 1}$$With ##p = 0.3##, this gives ##P \approx 0.155##.
 
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PeroK said:
There is a useful shortcut in considering two point played at a time. If the probability of winning a point is ##p##, then the probability of winning the game (##P##) satisfies:
$$P = p^2 + 2p(1-p)P$$Hence$$P = \frac{p^2}{2p^2 - 2p + 1}$$With ##p = 0.3##, this gives ##P \approx 0.155##.
Other way of seeing this: Probability of winning in two points is ##p^2##. Probability of losing in two points is ##(1-p)^2 = 1-2p+p^2##. Probability of winning must therefore be
\[
\frac{p^2}{p^2 + (1-p)^2} = \frac{p^2}{2p(p-1) + 1}
\]
as otherwise we return to the same state.
 
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