Work required to increase Earth/Moon separation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the work required to increase the separation between the Earth and the Moon, given their masses and initial distance. The context is rooted in gravitational potential energy and the dynamics of celestial bodies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the total energy equation and its components, questioning the inclusion of kinetic energy versus potential energy in the calculations. Some suggest checking the result through integration of force over distance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the stability of the Moon's orbit and the assumptions made about energy changes. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential energy versus total energy considerations.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity on whether the Moon's motion is to be considered in the context of the problem, which affects the interpretation of the work done. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made in the problem statement regarding the nature of the orbit at the new distance.

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Homework Statement


The Moon and Earth have masses of 7.4 × 1022 kg and 6.0 × 1024 kg, respectively, and the distance between their centers is 3.8 × 108 m. The amount of work required to pull them further apart so that their separation increases by a factor of 1.6 is most nearly


Homework Equations


Etot = -GMm/(2r)
W=ΔE


The Attempt at a Solution


ΔE=(-GMm/2)(1/(1.6*3.8 x 108) - (1/3.8 x 108)) = 1.44 x 1028 J

Answer key says 2.9 x 1028 J
That's twice my answer. Is it possible that the person who made the answer key forgot to factor out the /2. Or should I be considering only ΔU? I did a similar problem from this chapter using ΔEtot and got the right answer. What am I missing?

Thanks!
 
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Is the moon still in a stable circular orbit? I think if the motion of the moon is not considered than we have to take only change in potential energy.
 
What energies does your Etot include?

Why don't you do a check of the result by performing the work integration (integral of F.dr) for the increase in separation?
 
tony873004 said:

Homework Equations


Etot = -GMm/(2r)
Why is the 2 here? The potential energy of the system is just -GMm/r
 
BruceW said:
Why is the 2 here? The potential energy of the system is just -GMm/r
gneill said:
What energies does your Etot include?...
That formula is for total energy, not PE
U=-GMm/r
KE=0.5mv2, v=sqrt(GM/r)
KE=0.5 GMm/r
KE=GMm/(2r)
U=-2GM/(2r) --add the 2's so U and KE have a common denominator
KE+U=(GMm/(2r)) - (2GMm/(2r))
KE+U=-GMm/(2r) = Etot

I think mukundpa solved it. The problem did not state that the Moon achieved a circular orbit at the new distance. So with its velocity constant, all that changed is the PE. Doing the problem that way, I get the answer the key is looking for.

Thanks everyone!
 
another way to interpret it, is that they wanted the work done, given that the kinetic energy of the moon and Earth do not change.
 

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