Would it matter which inner product I choose in quantum mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of choosing different inner products in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the formalism and structure of Hilbert spaces. Participants explore whether alternative inner products would alter the foundational aspects of quantum mechanics and the mathematical framework that supports it.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the inner product used in quantum mechanics, defined as $$\int^{∞}_{-∞}\psi^{*}\psi\;dV$$, is crucial to the formalism and that different choices could lead to different outcomes.
  • Others argue that the inner product is determined by the general Dirac formalism, suggesting that the position space wave function and its associated inner product arise from established mathematical structures.
  • A participant notes that all infinite-dimensional complex separable Hilbert spaces are isomorphic to ##L^2 (\Omega)##, indicating a mathematical constraint on the choice of inner products in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant mentions that this limitation is not overly restrictive, as it accommodates various physical theories, including relativistic quantum field theory and potential quantum gravity.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of choosing different inner products, with some asserting that such choices could fundamentally alter quantum mechanics, while others maintain that the formalism is inherently tied to specific mathematical structures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of the impact of alternative inner products.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of Hilbert spaces and the specific mathematical properties of the inner products discussed. The implications of these choices on the broader framework of quantum mechanics are not fully explored.

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it seems that quantum mechanics formalism is dependent on the inner product
hi guys
i was thinking about the inner product we choose in quantum mechanics to map the elements inside the hilbert space to real number which is given by :
$$\int^{∞}_{-∞}\psi^{*}\psi\;dV$$
or in some cases we might introduce a weight function dependent on the wave functions i have , it seems that if i had chosen another completely different inner product the formalism of quantum mechanics will be different ?! , is there a particular reason for that inner product that we use in QM or choosing adiffernt inner product will not change any thing and why .
thanks
 
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patric44 said:
Summary:: it seems that quantum mechanics formalism is dependent on the inner product

hi guys
i was thinking about the inner product we choose in quantum mechanics to map the elements inside the hilbert space to real number which is given by :
$$\int^{∞}_{-∞}\psi^{*}\psi\;dV$$
or in some cases we might introduce a weight function dependent on the wave functions i have , it seems that if i had chosen another completely different inner product the formalism of quantum mechanics will be different ?! , is there a particular reason for that inner product that we use in QM or choosing adiffernt inner product will not change any thing and why .
thanks
The (position space) wave function and associated inner product may be derived from the general Dirac formalism:

We have a normalised state ##|\alpha \rangle## and the position eigenstates ##|x \rangle##, which form a complete basis:$$\int dx \ |x \rangle \langle x| = I$$ Hence:
$$ 1 = \langle \alpha | \alpha \rangle = \int dx \ \langle \alpha|x \rangle \langle x|\alpha \rangle$$
We now define the position space wave-function:
$$\psi(x) = \langle x|\alpha \rangle$$ which leads to:
$$\int dx \ \psi(x)^*\psi(x) = 1$$ and all the other formulas involving the wave-function.

In that sense, the inner product is determined by the formalism.
 
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thank you so much it becomes clear now
 
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That the choice of inner product is limited is a consequence of the famous mathematical statement: All infinite-dimensional complex separable Hilbert space are isomorphic to ##L^2 (\Omega)##, where ##\Omega## stands for an open subset of ##\mathbb{R}^n## endowed with a measure. Precisely because of this fact, QM works with separable Hilbert spaces (add to that the spectral theorem).
 
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dextercioby said:
That the choice of inner product is limited is a consequence of the famous mathematical statement: All infinite-dimensional complex separable Hilbert space are isomorphic to ##L^2 (\Omega)##, where ##\Omega## stands for an open subset of ##\mathbb{R}^n## endowed with a measure. Precisely because of this fact, QM works with separable Hilbert spaces (add to that the spectral theorem).

It's probably not that limiting, since it means even 3+1D relativistic QFT and quantum gravity (if they exist) have ##L^2 (\Omega)## as the Hilbert space.
 
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