Would the outer planets in our solar system survive a supernova event?

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of the sun undergoing a supernova and its potential effects on the solar system, particularly the survival of the outer planets, including gas giants and Pluto. Participants explore various theoretical implications and consequences of such an event.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for the sun to go supernova, it would need to acquire a significant amount of mass, which raises questions about how this could happen without disrupting planetary orbits.
  • One participant suggests that the shockwave from a supernova might not be sufficient to destroy planets, but could lead to atmospheric erosion and potential orbital changes.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that the solar system would likely cease to exist as it is known, with significant changes in orbits and mass loss from the sun affecting the outer planets.
  • Some argue that while rocky planets might lose their atmospheres, they would not be destroyed, and the orbits of all planets would change due to the mass loss from the supernova.
  • A participant theorizes that gas giants could potentially collect material from the supernova event, leading to the formation of larger gas giants.
  • One contribution mentions that planets orbiting massive stars are likely to survive supernovae due to the geometry of the explosion and the density of the stars involved.

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Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the exact outcomes of a supernova event on the solar system. There are competing hypotheses regarding the survival of the outer planets and the nature of the changes they would experience.

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Limitations include assumptions about the mass acquisition of the sun, the specifics of supernova mechanics, and the effects of radiation on planetary structures and orbits. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Now I know the sun can't go supernova ever, but let's say the sun somehow acquires enough mass to eventually undergo a supernova with an energy output of one foe, what would happen to the solar system? Would the outer planets such as the gas giants and pluto survive?
 
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I do not mean to belittle your question, but, first you must suggest a way the sun could acquire so much mass without unforeseen circumstances. A star is not much of a supernova threat unless it achieves about 8 solar masses. I fail to see how that much mass could enter the solar system without seriously messing with all the planetary orbits.
 
kuartus4 said:
Now I know the sun can't go supernova ever, but let's say the sun somehow acquires enough mass to eventually undergo a supernova with an energy output of one foe, what would happen to the solar system? Would the outer planets such as the gas giants and pluto survive?

I'm not sure. It takes a LOT of energy applied in a specific way to destroy a planet. I'm not sure a shockwave from a supernova is enough to destroy them unless they are very close to the star. I'd expect significant erosion of the atmospheres of any planets, along with possible orbital changes that may result in the ejection of said planets from the system, but they might survive.
 
what would happen to the solar system?.. Would the outer planets such as the gas giants and pluto survive?.

Seems like the solar system would cease to exist...at least as we know it. As radiation reduces the 'mass' [gravity] of the sun, orbits must surely change...

Similar is going to happen when the sun ends it's life and becomes a red giant...at least for earth.

Hard for me to imagine a low density gas giant surviving.

Some tidbit insights here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_giant#Prospects_for_habitability

Seems like there may be some hope for continued habitability, but I'm, pretty sure we are too close...I'd rather not be here to observe it.
 
A general way to look at this:

The heat and energy of a supernova, or even the red giant our sun will one day become, would surely convert some mass of some of the planets to 'energy'. So some mass will most likely be converted to energy in the form of radiation...photons, alpha particles and so forth. Other mass would likely change orbit and still other be accelerated beyond the 'solar system'.
 
So let's say that our entire solar system is brought to size so that the sun is big enough to produce a supernova.
For one, it would die out faster. and most likely not be able to exist to see it.
And if it did go supernova, the inner planets would be either annihilated by the blast, or thrown out of orbit. the outer planets would probably lose its atmosphere and possibly its core. it still sustained, however, the gas giants would be in luck! They would start collecting material from mutual gravity. and BAM! you got a giant Jupiter. with a little (But millions of kilometers in diameter) white dwarf star. However, this is my own theory of it.
 
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They would start collecting material from mutual gravity. and BAM! you got a giant Jupiter. with a little (But millions of kilometers in diameter) white dwarf star. However, this is my own theory of it.

A solar mass white dwarf is around 14,000 km in diameter and increasing the mass decreases the diameter.
 
kuartus4 said:
Now I know the sun can't go supernova ever, but let's say the sun somehow acquires enough mass to eventually undergo a supernova with an energy output of one foe, what would happen to the solar system? Would the outer planets such as the gas giants and pluto survive?
Planets orbiting massive stars (> 9 M☉) are likely to survive supernovae events, for two reasons. First, the supernovae blast is 360°, and planets form along the ecliptic which means only 3% to 5% of the blast will be along the ecliptic. Second, stars that are about to go supernovae are not very dense, typically less than 1.4 g/cm3.

While the supernovae may be sufficient to strip off the atmospheres of rocky type planets, it would not destroy them. It would, however, most certainly change the orbits of every planet in the solar system, as the supernovae blows off a considerable amount of its mass.

Planets around neutron/pulsar stars have already been discovered. In fact, the very first exoplanet found was orbiting around a pulsar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar_planet
 

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