Writing Common Ion Concentration in Buffer Eq. Expression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a buffer solution formed by mixing acetic acid and sodium acetate, focusing on the appropriate setup of equilibrium expressions and the use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to set up the concentrations in the equilibrium expression for the buffer solution.
  • Another participant suggests using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation as a simpler method for calculating pH.
  • A later reply acknowledges that while acid dissociation can occur, the changes in concentration are often negligible in typical situations, allowing for a simplified calculation using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.
  • It is mentioned that calculating the number of moles of acid and conjugate base is sufficient, as the volume cancels out in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing views on whether to include the change in concentration (x) in the equilibrium expression, with some suggesting it can be ignored in typical scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of including x in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the negligible impact of dissociation on concentrations, and the discussion does not resolve whether this assumption holds in all cases.

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Homework Statement


What is the pH of a buffer solution created by combining 100 mL of 0.2 M acetic acid and 400 mL of 0.10 M sodium acetate? Ka= 1.8 x 10^(-5)

Homework Equations



1.8 x 10-5=([C2H3O2-][H+])/([HC2H3O2])

The Attempt at a Solution



I know what I'm supposed to do to solve this problem, but I'm not sure how to set up the concentrations in the expression.

I think it should go like this:


1.8 x 10-5= (0.08+x)(x)/(0.04-x)

The explanation in my book has basically the same thing with just one tiny exception. In the equilibrium expression, it used only 0.08 as a concentration for C2H3O2-, without the x.

I thought the x would be necessary b/c 0.08 is only the initial concentration of the acetate ion and the acetic acid will dissociate more before reaching the equilibrium.

Any help would be nice. Thanks in advanced.
 
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There's a simple formula to it. Search for it. I believe it's Henderson-Hasselbalch Equation.
 
Oh, thanks. I just figured it out.
 
While you are right about the fact acid can dissociate a little bit, in most typical situations changes induced by the dissociation are so small, we can safely ignore them. Then calculating pH of a buffer is just a matter of calculating concentrations of acid and conjugate base, and plugging them into Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.

Actually you don't even need to calculate concentrations, it is enough to calculate numbers of moles of acid and conjugate base, as volume cancels out.
 

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