Yahoo: Earth-Venus smash-up possible in 3.5 billion years: study

In summary: This is an article about a scientist who has been working on a theory that suggests that the planets in our solar system are in a state of orbital chaos and that this could lead to the planets crashing into each other. It's a pretty interesting theory, and it's worth reading more about if you're interested.
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Hey Y'all:

Been lurking many months now... I have really been enjoying the discussion, exploration, exposition, etc on display here in PF.

In any case, I saw the above headline on the Yahoo front page. Now, I understand that Yahoo headlines are not exactly a bastion of hard science reporting, but this was curious enough for me to expend a click and see just what in the name of The Wide World of Sports this was all about.

This is the link in question:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090610/sc_afp/scienceastronomyearthmercurymarsvenus

I was greeted with a spectacularly non-informative, non-descriptive article. Something about 'orbital chaos' and running repeated computer models... then a rather sensationalistic description of planets careening around in <ahem> non-traditional directions.

Thing is, the article was so completely lacking in factual descriptions of what was being talked about that I found no way to tell whether this was simple crankery, a meaningful theory misunderstood and misdescribed, something legit that has simply had all of the meaningful substance edited out of the article or what...

So, can someone here shed some light on what this is referring to, whether this is a real and meaningful model or whether this is just some complete nonsense, or somewhere betwixt and between or what?

Anyway, this is a terriffic community... thanks in advance for any thoughts on the subject.

diogenesNY
 
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diogenesNY said:
Hey Y'all:

So, can someone here shed some light on what this is referring to, whether this is a real and meaningful model or whether this is just some complete nonsense, or somewhere betwixt and between or what?

Anyway, this is a terriffic community... thanks in advance for any thoughts on the subject.

diogenesNY

Thanks for the praise.

Jacques Laskar is a legit researcher and does high-accuracy orbital modelling of planetary motions using standard physics - he's not a crank. In sum he has found that an orbital resonance between Mercury and Jupiter can cause Mercury to careen around the Inner Planets and cause them to collide - it takes millions of years to fully play out, but averaged across a bunch of simulations there's a decent chance of something dramatic developing over billions of years. He has a few papers online along similar lines on the arxiv.org so check them out if you want to know more.
 
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I suggest you read new scientist too. I read a 'sensible' report of this in it :)
 
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The Yahoo article starts on a bad footing. That opening paragraph is absolutely atrocious. There is of course no such thing as "a force known as orbital chaos" that "may cause our Solar System to go haywire".

There is a force that may cause our Solar System to go haywire: It is gravity. As qraal mentioned, Laskar is a legit researcher. He has been working on the issue of the long-term stability of the solar system for 20 years. Here is a preprint of a 2003 article he wrote on the subject: http://www.imcce.fr/Equipes/ASD/preprints/prep.2003/th2002_laskar.pdf

A slightly better lay article on the same subject as the article cited in the original post: http://tech.uk.msn.com/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=147911006
 

1. What is the significance of the study that suggests an Earth-Venus smash-up in 3.5 billion years?

The study provides new insight into the long-term evolution of our solar system and the potential for major impacts between planets.

2. How did scientists come to the conclusion that an Earth-Venus smash-up could occur?

The study used computer simulations to model the movements of Earth and Venus over the course of billions of years, taking into account gravitational interactions between the two planets and other bodies in the solar system.

3. What factors could influence the likelihood of an Earth-Venus smash-up?

The study suggests that the likelihood of a smash-up would depend on the initial conditions of the solar system, including the positions and velocities of the planets, as well as any future changes in their orbits or the orbits of other bodies.

4. How would an Earth-Venus smash-up impact our planet?

If an Earth-Venus smash-up were to occur, it could result in major changes to the Earth's orbit, rotation, and climate. It could also potentially lead to the formation of a new, larger planet or the destruction of both Earth and Venus.

5. Is there anything that can be done to prevent an Earth-Venus smash-up?

At this point in time, there is no way to prevent such a catastrophic event. However, the study provides valuable information about the long-term stability of our solar system and could potentially aid in future efforts to protect our planet and others from major impacts.

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