You just might get what you wish for

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around preferences regarding concepts of free will, divine determination, self-control, and the fulfillment of wishes. Participants explore the implications and meanings of these concepts, as well as their personal views on which they would prefer.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for fulfillment of wishes, viewing it as a desirable option.
  • Others argue that free will is a superior choice, questioning how one could wish for free will if they already possess it.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of free will, with some participants suggesting it may not be fully realized or chosen.
  • There is a distinction made between free will and self-control, with some participants defining free will as more inclusive and physical compared to self-control.
  • One participant humorously suggests wishing for the fulfillment of all wishes, including the other options presented.
  • Another participant reflects on the potential impact of having perfect self-control on experiencing pleasure.
  • Some participants express skepticism about divine determination, citing a lack of belief in a supreme being.
  • There is a light-hearted comment about wishing for Jell-O, indicating a playful approach to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the desirability and implications of free will, self-control, and the fulfillment of wishes. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on which option is preferable.

Contextual Notes

Participants' definitions of free will and self-control vary, leading to differing interpretations of the concepts. The discussion includes humorous and speculative elements, which may affect the seriousness of the claims made.

Which would you most prefer?

  • Free will

    Votes: 5 33.3%
  • Divine determination

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Self-control

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Fulfillment of wishes

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • See below

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    15
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Which would you most prefer - free will, divine determination, self-control or fulfillment of wishes?
 
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Hmmm...well, I already have free will. Self-control? Yep, pretty much have that too. Divine determination...I don't believe in supernatural, so I can't have that, even if I wanted it.

So that leaves fulfillment of wishes...oh yeah, that's exactly what I want :wink:.
 
...so why is "see below" an option? Why would I vote for "see below"?
 
Couldn't I wish for free will? How is this not the strictly superior option?

Anyone who votes for anything else simply isn't trying to game the system
 
Lisa,

I looked below the poll, and there you were!
 
Shredder,

Next time I'll try a poll with more options.
 
Office_Shredder said:
Couldn't I wish for free will? How is this not the strictly superior option?

Anyone who votes for anything else simply isn't trying to game the system

OK, I'll be your fairy godmother. <swish, swish of the magic wand!> Poof! You have free will!
 
How do I know I freely chose to have free will though? I'm concerned that I didn't have a choice in making this decision, and demand to be sent back to my original state
 
Everyone has free will. Some may not realize it, and some may choose not to use it. But we're all born with it.
 
  • #10
I would wish for fulfillment of all wishes and then just wish for the other three (after the big house, fast car and "norwegian lesbians that feed me grapes and know how to sing")
 
  • #11
what do you mean by free will?
 
  • #12
Georgepowell said:
what do you mean by free will?

i think it means self-control.
 
  • #13
The way I use it, free will differs from self-control (for the most part) in that the former is more inclusive and physical, while the latter is less inclusive and physiological.
 
  • #14
I said self control..
wishes can be endless.
 
  • #15
Loren Booda said:
Lisa,

I looked below the poll, and there you were!


Oh, man, I wish I could change my choice.

But, like you said, be careful or just might get what you wish for. What if Astronuc had been the person right below the poll - he's too hairy!
 
  • #16
Loren Booda said:
The way I use it, free will differs from self-control (for the most part) in that the former is more inclusive and physical, while the latter is less inclusive and physiological.

now that I've had more time to soak in the idea, i do wonder if one could ever feel true pleasure if you had perfect self-control. so many of life's greatest pleasures seem to involve a certain amount of letting go.
 
  • #17
I wish for a better memory mine is like a 100yr old capacitor.
 
  • #18
Free will for me. Fulfillment of my wishes would have cost me, and others, a lot over the past few decades. I already have self-control, but chose to not exercise it. Divine intervention isn't an option, since there is no supreme being. Why wasn't there an option involving Jell-O?
 

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