Calculating Expectation Values and Uncertainties in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around calculating expectation values and uncertainties for a particle in a one-dimensional box in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the first excited state. The original poster attempts to compute the expectation values [x], [p], and [E], as well as the uncertainties delta(x), delta(p), and delta(E), while verifying the uncertainty principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions of delta(x) and delta(p) in relation to expectation values. Some suggest approximations for delta(x) and emphasize the need to calculate multiple expectation values to find the uncertainties. Others question the reasoning behind delta(E) being zero in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and exploring various definitions and relationships related to the uncertainties. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry have been suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and calculations required for quantum mechanical uncertainties, with some expressing uncertainty about specific relations and the implications of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Assume that a particle in a one-dimensional box is in its first excited state. Calculate the expectation values [x], [p], and [E], and the uncertainties
delta(x), delta(p), and delta(E). Verify that delta(x)*delta(p)>=h_bar/2.

Homework Equations



Psi=sqrt(2/a) cos(pi*x/a) e^(-i*E*t/h_bar)

[x]=Int(Psi_star x Psi, -a/2, a/2)

[p]=Int(Psi_star (-i*h_bar*d/dx) Psi, -a/2, a/2)

[E]=Int(Psi_star (i*h_bar*d/dt) Psi, -a/2, a/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



After evaluating the above integrals, I get:

[x]=0

[p]=0

[E]=h_bar*pi^2*n^2 / 2*m*a^2

I am trying to calculate the quantities delta(x), delta(p), and delta(E) but I am having trouble doing that. Can you please suggest some hints on how to proceed. Thank you.
 
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What are the definitions of delta(x) and delta(p) in terms of expectation values?
 
This is a trivial question, but would I be able to approximate it using the relations:

delta(x)=h_bar/sqrt(2m(V0 - E))
 
ynuo said:
This is a trivial question, but would I be able to approximate it using the relations:

delta(x)=h_bar/sqrt(2m(V0 - E))

That's a new relation to me. Just look at the definition of the variance and follow the prescription.
 
StatMechGuy said:
That's a new relation to me. Just look at the definition of the variance and follow the prescription.

Yep. You need to calculate six expectation values in order to calculate deltax, deltap and deltaE, and only three of them are <x>, <p> and <E>.
 
Do you know a reason why [itex]\Delta E[/itex] is zero for this problem ? Besides the actual computation of it, which can be avoided by knowing this reason.
 

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