which language sounds the nicest?

[verdigris]

Which spoken language sounds the nicest? And would people in Europe think that a european language sounds nicer than a language from another continent just because they are more familiar with European languages - or is there more to it than this?

[neurocomp2003]

french/spanish/taiwanese mandarin/japanese

[MeJennifer]

I think Thai sounds pretty good. Very melodic.

[moe darklight]

Well, my sample is not that big:

I was born in Argentina, where we speak Spanish with an Italian accent (we really do, watch an Argentinean movie and, unless you know Italian or Spanish, you'll think you're watching an Italian movie).
For most of my childhood, Hebrew was my native tongue (even though I don't remember much and it sounds foreign to me now). You are also exposed to the sounds of the Arab languages in Israel a little.
I moved here to canada in 2000 so now speak english -- this should be obvious :rofl: . And I started trying to learn mandarin chinese a couple of days ago (so far I only know "hello" "how are you" etc. , but I'm familiar with the sounds of the language at least)

To me, definitely English. English is really a mixture of many languages. It took bits and pieces of many languages, so it has a very open grammatical structure (many other languages have very strict sentence structures -- I'm not sure if there is another language quite as open an English). This is why English poetry and literature is so beautiful and different, I think -- it's such a free language, that those who master it can paint beautiful and unique images with the bonus of having lots of "free room" to play with (I don't think Finnegan's Wake could have been written without an English sub-structure).

It also sounds very "liquid." all the words flow easily in and out.

compare it to middle-eastern languages such as Hebrew and Arab -- full of horrid-sounding, tough sounds: "I love you" in Hebrew is "Ah-nee Oh-ev OTAGH" -- the vowels are harsh and throaty, and the best way I can describe the "GH" sound is the sound you make before you hork up phlegm... thankfully not used in the English language.

There is a reason why people from all over the world are drawn to the sound of English singing; the language just flows (Americanization might also play a part, but this was true before Americanization). English sounds "cool," but is also very beautiful and song-like.

[turbo-1]

I have been educated (here on this board) that some of the most beautiful singing I have ever heard ("a Prayer for Love" by Mary Black) was in Russian. Who knew?!!

[D H]

I learned Spanish a long time ago, then learned a lot more when I became a soccer referee. I learned some new highs (lows?) a couple weeks ago sitting in a predominantly Hispanic section at the Houston Dynamos vs Pachuca Concacaf Champions Cup semifinals game (Dynamos won, 2:0). Spanish is both a very beautiful and a very ugly language, depending on the speaker and whether his futbol team is winning or losing.

[eaboujaoudeh]

i disagree with moe about arabic..well i love u in hebrew might sound a hard task, in arabic it is Ana Bhebbik for a girl, Ana Bhebbak for girl to guy..or even guy to guy :P...arabic is somewhat difficult but is a rich language...like a lot more than 100 ways to say i love u...etc..
but english by far is the easiest language to learn, and i think it should become the world's language

[neurocomp2003]

english is the hardest language to learn....all the grammar.

[eaboujaoudeh]

ever tried another language?

[moe darklight]

i disagree with moe about arabic..well i love u in hebrew might sound a hard task, in arabic it is Ana Bhebbik for a girl, Ana Bhebbak for girl to guy..or even guy to guy :P...arabic is somewhat difficult but is a rich language...like a lot more than 100 ways to say i love u...etc..
but english by far is the easiest language to learn, and i think it should become the world's language

O I wasn't implying that great poetry hasn't been written in those languages -- "Martin Fierro" in Spanish comes to mind.

Especially languages that are so ancient compared to English (Hebrew remains almost unchanged for 2500 years; by knowing modern Hebrew, you'd be perfectly able to understand ancient writings like the old testament--

But try reading Old English :surprised -- used only 1000 years ago -- and you would not be able to understand a single sentence without Old English studies. Even modern English from only a few centuries ago can be challenging.

English changes very fast, even now. And even though it's very easy to learn, it is also incredibly complex -- sometimes weird and irrational: mouse/mice, car/cars, house/houses, fish/fish :confused: ).

What I meant to say was that English has a certain melodic flow to it that is very pleasing (to me at least, it all depends on personal opinion)... it avoids many of the harsh cacophonies of other languages -- it's made up of mostly round (?) (only word that comes to mind) sounds: rolling Rs, soft Ls and H's... which might be why it's so appealing.

:surprised <-- and I should really stop using these. but they're so awesome! :surprised :surprised :surprised

[moe darklight]

english is the hardest language to learn....all the grammar.

ever tried another language?

hahaha... yea there are some hard ones out there. I wouldn't say English is the hardest, but I would say it's one of the weirdest ones. There are no real rules to its grammar and spelling.

At least in spanish and Hebrew there are things that are always 100% a certain way. Find me one English grammar/spelling rule that is 100%.. not even the famous I before E except after C! This is why people new to the language often have that "Tarzan" way of speaking -- English grammar makes no sense to a foreigner!

[eaboujaoudeh]

the good thing about english is that it is adapting with our needs and pronounciations. lebanese arabic flows well because it is a mixture between western tongues and arabic tongues very different from other arabic accents and simple to use but still hard grammar. and yes hebrew seemed to stay the same all the way much like chinese i think, that's mayb what makes them hard to understand at time, its like learning hyrogliphics...btw isn't there some common pronounciations between arabic and hebrew?

[eaboujaoudeh]

u know i'm starting to think that ur right about english, but it seemed easier to me from french even though french was my first language, and is still easier to me than arabic even though i'm lebanese, i also tried german and italian. german is difficult, italian is easy because its like french but they also have the specials that come with them..but i think ur right they have stronger adherence to the rules except in cases when they really go beserk like the very was in french : etre, which becomes Somme complete transformations like that are confusing too :)

[moe darklight]

Arabic and Hebrew do have similarities (salam = shalom)-- they have similar origins and have developed side by side ... much like european languages are very similar and share common Latin origins or influences.

Most of the languages spoken today have the same common origins, and can be grouped: Chinese (chinese lol), Latin (Italian, spanish), afro-asian (Arabic, Hebrew), etc.

This is why I read mostly things written by Spanish or English authors. not because I think there's no good chinese or albanian novels out there, I'm sure there are -- but translate something from Italian to spanish, and you'll be able to keep some of the emotion. Translate something from Chinese to Italian, and you lose all the beauty and prose.

[eaboujaoudeh]

yeah i think ur right about that, some translations definitely don't work..especially if its a comedy :)..

[moe darklight]

it's especially funny watching Japanese movies translated into english. The two are so different, you can tell the translators have a hell of a time trying to make dialogue sound real or at least normal.

[eaboujaoudeh]

lol yeah...or english subtle jokes translated to french on french channels :)

[neurocomp2003]

yes...i speak chinese and a bit of french. I still haven't mastered english and i was born in canada.

I wonder how learning english as a 2nd language compares to other languages. Granted english probably gets the most exposure.

[moe darklight]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-MFZpt7TwQ

THIS is the simpsons I grew up with :bugeye: .

[moe darklight]

yes...i speak chinese and a bit of french. I still haven't mastered english and i was born in canada.

I wonder how learning english as a 2nd language compares to other languages. Granted english probably gets the most exposure.

Yea I'm trying to learn mandarin chinese right now as it's so widely spoken (second only to english) and so many movies are made in Chinese. ... when you ask a question, you add a "ma" at the end, right? -- I wish one of my friends spoke it natively so I could practice it with a person.

I don't have nearly as much time as i'd like to learn it though.. so I won't be fluent any time soon (wo po hue shua putun-hua! -- I have no clue how to write actual chinese letters, and I don't think I want to even try. are they as hard as they look??)

English is easy to get, but hard to get right. I still have trouble with the grammar sometimes, even after 7 years, and have to think twice when I write some sentences.

Other languages are harder to understand at first, but once you get them, they're easier to grasp because the structure is stricter.

[MeJennifer]

Yea I'm trying to learn mandarin chinese right now as it's so widely spoken (second only to english)

I suppose it depends on the definition, but Mandarin is the most widely spoken native language in the world. But having said that, it is often the case that two people from different regions in China, who both supposedly speak Mandarin, have a very hard time understanding each other. :smile:

I have no clue how to write actual Chinese letters, and I don't think I want to even try. are they as hard as they look??)

Writing is certainly not easy, especially if you want to do it the ancient way, with a large pecil using the elbow and wrist.

But recognizing characters is not so difficult as it looks as long as you approach it the right way.

First of all, contrary to what most people think, most characters in Chinese are not pictograms but picto-phonograms. And in the majority of the cases the 'picto' part has no relationship to the meaning of the character whatsoever!

Second, there is a classification system using strokes which are called radicals. Note that there are different kind of strokes that, if you look casually, might look the same, but they are not, it depends for instance on where you start and how you end. Note that this classification system is artificial, since it has no relationship to the historical development of characters. But despite that, it is good to know it because once you are accustomed to this system it is going to help you in recognizing complex characters.

If you want to learn Chinese, I highly recommend you master both the pinyin romanization system and recognizing the characters. It really helps!

祝你好运

[moe darklight]

it is often the case that two people from different regions in China, who both supposedly speak Mandarin, have a very hard time understanding each other. :smile:


lol yea that happens with other languages too. Say "Te voy a cojer a tu casa" to a Spanish-speaking person from spain, and one from Argentina, and you'll get a very very different response.

I remember my mom was excited she had a patient from latin america, eager to do therapy in spanish again. After one session she was horrified that she couldn't understand half of what the patient was talking about.

As for writing/readin chinese, I think I'll have to wait a while on to that one... you know... at least 'till I'm past the "hello, I am from canada, where is the toilet-room" phase :biggrin:

[moe darklight]

祝你好运

What's it say? -- looking at that I'm guessing the dyslexic must have a pretty tough time in china :bugeye:

[eaboujaoudeh]

i wonder, how they expect us to learn chinese, when they can't understand each other !! :)

[shramana]

I know English, Hindi, Bengali, Sanskrit and a little Urdu. Personally I think Urdu sounds nicest. Even simple things sound beautiful and profound in Urdu.

[HallsofIvy]

Your mother's language!

[verdigris]

I think french is the nicest sounding language.English is a very efficient language - a lot is said with relatively few words.And I think that languages that are spoken with a lot of body language - hand movements and so on - have a beauty of their own.

[neurocomp2003]

"wo po hue shua putun-hua" is that an chinese pinyin or and taiwanese pinyin or your own.
I think you mixed up some of the english sounds: cuz it sounds like "your trying to say i don't know how to talk normal speech" but not quite correct ... Sadly i can't read or write chinese characters but the two words in the middle that MeJen wrote are "you" and "are"/"how are"

Some chinese words are relatively pictographs such as wood and mouth and water. There is also a chinese alphabet (not pinyin but bopomofo) that makes everything so much easier to read and write =] but its not recognized in many places(mostly just in taiwan and canada)

I think the chinese should use the bopomofo rather than the pinyin. As it makes everything easier and prettier. Especially for people having two native languages.

Chinese is alot easier to learn when you don't start off with characters =]

[radou]

German does.

[Maxwells Demon]

I don't think Spanish sound very nice..

but FRENCH, uhh.. women speaking French, it is soo nice :)

[radou]

I don't think Spanish sound very nice..

but FRENCH, uhh.. women speaking French, it is soo nice :)

I claim exactly the opposite. :smile:

[moe darklight]

"wo po hue shua putun-hua" is that an chinese pinyin or and taiwanese pinyin or your own.
I think you mixed up some of the english sounds: cuz it sounds like "your trying to say i don't know how to talk normal speech" but not quite correct ... Sadly i can't read or write chinese characters but the two words in the middle that MeJen wrote are "you" and "are"/"how are"


lol I was trying to say I can't speak chinese. aah my chinese is so bad I can't even say that I can't speak chinese right :cry: :smile:

[neurocomp2003]

hehehe...nah its cuz i don't know how to read the pinyin...oop s the first quote was too early =]
"i don't know how to talk normal speech"

i would have typed "wo boo hway {swo/jung} kuo ue" (not really pinyin,closer to taiwans though)
or "wo de kuo ue hin lan" (roughly my mandarin is bad).

[Anttech]

Italian is by far the nicest to listen to with allo thosea voweli everyo wherei... :D

I also like Greek but I am a bit biased...

[Anttech]

Arabic and Hebrew do have similarities (salam = shalom)-- they have similar origins and have developed side by side ... much like european languages are very similar and share common Latin origins or influences.

This isnt really true.

In Europe we have many Language groups:

Slavic
Greek
Ugric
Latin
Germanic

None really have anything to do with one another, really. There are off course exceptions to the rules

[radou]

Italian is by far the nicest to listen to with allo thosea voweli everyo wherei... :D


I second that.

[Evo]

French sounds the best. Italian would be second

[chrisjj]

lol yea that happens with other languages too. Say "Te voy a cojer a tu casa" to a Spanish-speaking person from spain, and one from Argentina, and you'll get a very very different response.

I remember my mom was excited she had a patient from latin america, eager to do therapy in spanish again. After one session she was horrified that she couldn't understand half of what the patient was talking about.

As for writing/readin chinese, I think I'll have to wait a while on to that one... you know... at least 'till I'm past the "hello, I am from canada, where is the toilet-room" phase :biggrin:


I knew that the differences between the Spanish dialects were there, but that much so?
I know a girl whose native language is Argentine Spanish, and then I know a few people whose native language is Northern Mexican-Spanish, and a couple of my friends are from Spain and speak their Spanish.
Now my best friend, one that speaks Spain's dialect, says that she can speak easily to the Mexican dialect, but there are differences... but not in the way you say.

It's kind of funny... sitting at a lunch table and not being able to understand Spanish fluently or even much at all, and being surrounded 360 degrees of native-speakers of Spanish speaking around you.

I have a kid in my math class whose native language is Lebanon Arabic, and I find it nice to listen to... but, I can imagine it would be better to hear in a softer speaker. His voice is a bit raspy...

[moe darklight]

It depends what areas they are from, I find people from urban areas tend to be easier to understand, there's no problem between an argentinean and a mexican or someone from spain (well depending what part of spain, I struggle a bit to catch up when I watch some spanish movies).

But there are some accents and dialects that are very hard to understand, many of the words and slang they use is so different that you really have to make an effort to get it and you find yourself more often than not "filling the blanks" and guessing what something means. You can carry a conversation, obviously, it's still spanish, so of course you could all sit on the same table :biggrin: but in some cases with very thick accents and slang it won't be as fluent as speaking to someone from your own area at all.

This isnt really true.

In Europe we have many Language groups:


sorry, I should have written "much like many european languages..." one word makes a world of a difference eh

[Anttech]

French sounds the best. Italian would be second
Depends who is speaking it..... Provence French is really nice to hear. Bruxelles French is a slur, Paris French has a air of contempt, and north African French is errmm well impossible for a non-french speaker to understand... Italians no matter who speaks it sounds great. I really like the dialect in North west Italia, a mixture of French and Italian...

[Anttech]

I have a kid in my math class whose native language is Lebanon Arabic, and I find it nice to listen to... but, I can imagine it would be better to hear in a softer speaker. His voice is a bit raspy...I like that country a lot.... But I dont really like listening to Arabic, sounds like something is stuck in the back of your throat...

[Cookie_1993]

i think german is a really hard language to learn.. u know the grammer and stuff.. but it sounds really awesome in pop and rock songs

there is a language in india... people find it a bit difficult to speak the language but the grammer and written stuff is rather easy.
i feel that this language (its called malayalam) is rather a kind of musical language
meaning, it seems to all go in a certain rhytm or beat

[Cookie_1993]

i really think Italian is very nice to hear.
true it has lots of vowels used!!

[SizarieldoR]

You know what Charles V said:
To God I speak in Spanish, to men I speak in French, to women I speak in Italian, and to my dog I speak in German. :D

But, I agree with Maxwell's demon that French sounds nice when spoken by ladies. But what I would like to speak as a guy is Latin - habet puritatem formae (it has purity of form :P)

[arildno]

Arabian is a very beautiful language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ

[SizarieldoR]

Aesthetically Sindarin or Quenya (elvish from LotR) sound the best - here's Tolkien reading some Sindarin: http://www.lotrplaza.com/elves/sindarin/tolkien-elbereth.wav

[Duck1987]

Which spoken language sounds the nicest? And would people in Europe think that a european language sounds nicer than a language from another continent just because they are more familiar with European languages - or is there more to it than this?

French, and Creole

[jimmysnyder]

It's hard for me to choose, so many foreign languages sound pleasant to my ear. However, I will choose Mandarin Chinese with a Beijing accent. It has a musical quality to it.

[Tony11235]

I don't know about Beijing Mandarin, all the 'er's added to everything. What sounds nice really just depends on what your ears are accustomed to at the time. After being in Beijing for a while, Castilian Spanish sounded very nice and smooth, though any other time I wouldn't say so.

[Duck1987]

I don't know about Beijing Mandarin, all the 'er's added to everything. What sounds nice really just depends on what your ears are accustomed to at the time. After being in Beijing for a while, Castilian Spanish sounded very nice and smooth, though any other time I wouldn't say so.



I used to like Spanish and Mandarin sounded like a song to me, but after living in New York for a while and listening to Chinese people who literally scream when on a subway with their Mandarin, it is the most annoying thing in the world. They sit apart from each other and start yelling! "Si si ma si si ma!"

As for spanish. Now I can only take a minute of it, after that I just want the person to stfu, because I just can't stand it!

[jimmysnyder]

I don't know about Beijing Mandarin, all the 'er's added to everything. What sounds nice really just depends on what your ears are accustomed to at the time.
True. I like the sound of those emphatic 'er's as much as I like the emphatic pitch inflection. I should have pointed out that there are individuals that have particularly appealing voices. I once spoke on the telephone in English with a customer support person whose voice made me want to crawl through the wire to meet her.

[Link-]

My first language is Spanish and I don't think Spanish is the nicest language. My second language is English (even if I'm not a really good talker or writer), I don't think English is also a pretty language, I think is kind of frivolous. A really nice language is Italian and German, those are language that I would like to learn.

[Duck1987]

My first language is Spanish and I don't think Spanish is the nicest language. My second language is English (even if I'm not a really good talker or writer), I don't think English is also a pretty language, I think is kind of frivolous. A really nice language is Italian and German, those are language that I would like to learn.

You really think German is a nice language? It sounds like dog barking, and I think that if Hell exists, then the Satan would be speaking German, as for Italian and French - yes they are nice sounding languages

[Tony11235]

I used to like Spanish and Mandarin sounded like a song to me, but after living in New York for a while and listening to Chinese people who literally scream when on a subway with their Mandarin, it is the most annoying thing in the world. They sit apart from each other and start yelling! "Si si ma si si ma!"

As for spanish. Now I can only take a minute of it, after that I just want the person to stfu, because I just can't stand it!

Are you sure what you were hearing was Mandarin and not Cantonese? Cantonese sounds hilarious and like someone's on a roller-coaster (sorry if that offends any Cantonese speakers here) when compared to Mandarin. I have a friend who speaks both and he evens admits cantonese is the more fun-sounding language. It's funny you mention the on-the-bus situation. Just the other day I was talking to a Taiwanese girl and she said while on the bus, the loudest speakers are usually Chinese, lol.

[wildman]

It depends what areas they are from, I find people from urban areas tend to be easier to understand, there's no problem between an argentinean and a mexican or someone from spain (well depending what part of spain, I struggle a bit to catch up when I watch some spanish movies).


I find mexicans hard to understand. They mix a lot of Indigenous languages in with their Spanish or at least my wife's friends do, but they tend to be from the country side rather than the cities. Colombians have very beautiful Spanish to my ears.

[Link-]

I find mexicans hard to understand. They mix a lot of Indigenous languages in with their Spanish or at least my wife's friends do, but they tend to be from the country side rather than the cities. Colombians have very beautiful Spanish to my ears.

Colombian spanish... A lot of lab. instructor on College are Colombians after a few labs with them you wont hear them as a beatiful spanish.
How about Spain spanish? That's a really good spanish.

[rubecuber]

actually, english is not the hardest language to learn, a group of scientists from Harvard or some big university conducted tests and used a 1-5 scale. 5=chinese, 4=french 3=english. I am from europe, and i got to say that french is the nicest sounding language. even though it's not as sing-songy as Italian, it is veeeeeeeery rich and sounds amaaaaaaaaaaaazing! Definitely french, then itial then russian, then german(i know that sounds funny, but it's gorgeous to hear a native speak it)!

[moe darklight]

what was number one?

one of my co-workers speaks swedish. the past two days I've been switched to his group; he's been trying to teach me some swedish during breaks... sometimes it's freakishly similar to middle english ... though I don't understand how their verbs work, it's even weirder than english ... also they have this thing where you change the end of a word when it is the object or subject of a sentence

vasca would be bag (or backpack? any sweeds here?), but you say vascan if it's a "the bag" ... also I obviously don't know swedish spelling so I have no clue if that's how it's spelled, but that's what it sounds like.

another cool thing is that they've kept the "hither" and "thither" that the english world pretty much expunged from common use... like, you would say "duo guor till hit/thit". (you walk to here/there). but if you already are here or there, you are "har/thar".

it's a pretty harsh sounding language to my ears— and hard on my mouth too... though I don't really know how to say much other than stuff about me wanting to eat or drink or picking up boxes or going to a house, or leaves on a lawn... or holding bags... and also urinating, of course.

urinating is always important.

[JasonRox]

I can speak words properly in English, French, Spanish, Mandarin and very little Cantonese. I'd say French and Mandarin are my favourites.

[Heidijr]

Aesthetically Sindarin or Quenya (elvish from LotR) sound the best - here's Tolkien reading some Sindarin

Gorgeous, but then so are the languages they're based on -- quite a bit of Welsh with some Gaelic thrown in for good measure. There are some Nordic influences as well, but the pronunciation was quite Welsh.

I love Welsh -- that is a language made for singing! It's so liquid and musical...even with the words that have three or four consonants run together or three or more vowels!

I read somewhere that Italian is the language of song, French the language of love, and German the language of war. *L* I don't remember where I read it...but it seems appropriate. Although Anglo-Saxon and high German have some amazing sonorous qualities all their own.

[zankaon]

Navaho, when i hear it slowly, has the cadence and aesthetics of ocean swells or a slow flowing river.
- ya' at' eeh.

[nadavgeva]

Fortran 95 is definitely my choice. for the worst of course!

[nadavgeva]

but seriously I think Portuguese. it's just hard to spell it.

[ThienAn]

What are you guys talking about? It is obviously a very vague question. I were born in Vietnam. I speak Vietnamese fluently. Ten out of ten times I won't misspell any world. Plus, French to me is like my English now because Vietnamese people communicate in French, also. But drawn from my experience between Vietnamese (Asia), French (Europe), and English (America or Cannada or any country), I would say English (particularly American English) sounds easiest (pronounciation, cadence, spelling, vocal, etc) but not the nicest. I sometimes speak French to my girlfriend and she would be fascinated by it, but in Vietnamese she says it sounds "unfamiliar", "funny", "twisted", "toungy". And those are the terms we know about Asian language, especially Chinese, Japanese, Nepalese, Bhutan, Istanbul, Philipines, Indonesia, but in West Asia the languages sound differently.

[Link-]

but seriously I think Portuguese. it's just hard to spell it.

Portuguese sound a little bit like spanish. If you know spanish really well and hear a portuguese conversation, you can understand part of the conversation.
What I would say is sound nicest is the portuguese accent.

[jim mcnamara]

FWIW - this kind of thread works on a bad assumption, IMO, that all humans can perceive the sounds of all languages. There are phonemes in languages that you lose the ability to hear or to reproduce if you do not literally hear those phonemes as a baby.

[gravenewworld]

Latin