How is the Inertia of a Uniform Rod Calculated Using the Parallel Axis Theorem?

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The discussion centers around the calculation of the moment of inertia for a uniform rod using the parallel axis theorem. Participants explore the implications of pivoting the rod at different points, specifically at one end versus the center, and the mathematical integration involved in determining the moment of inertia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the moment of inertia of a uniform rod pivoted at one end, questioning the derivation of the formula \(\frac{1}{3}ML^2\) and its relation to the parallel axis theorem.
  • Another participant asserts that the moment of inertia for a rod pivoted at the center is \(\frac{1}{12}ML^2\) and explains how to apply the parallel axis theorem to arrive at \(\frac{1}{3}ML^2\) by adding the contributions from the center of mass and the distance from the pivot.
  • A participant emphasizes that rotational inertia depends on the mass distribution and suggests that integrating the contributions of each mass element is necessary to find the moment of inertia about an axis.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the integration process for calculating the moment of inertia, specifically regarding the correct variable of integration and the limits of integration.
  • Another participant corrects the integration approach, stating that the differential mass element should be expressed in terms of the distance from the pivot and provides a formula for the moment of inertia derived from integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants demonstrate disagreement regarding the correct moment of inertia values for the uniform rod at different pivot points. There is no consensus on the integration method, with some participants correcting others' approaches without reaching a definitive resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of correctly defining the variable of integration and the limits when calculating the moment of inertia, indicating potential misunderstandings in the mathematical steps involved.

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i've been wondering why the I for a uniform rod held at one end is [tex]\frac{1}{3}ML^2[/tex]

i know that it has something to do with the parallel axis theorem, but after finiding the first I, being: [tex]M(\frac{L}{2})^2[/tex]
I am confused as how to find the I of the meter stick rotating about its parallel axis in the center. Since the center of mass is at the center, and it is being pivioted about the center, it seems there would be no I at all.

can anyone help me out?
 
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Well one thing you have incorrect is that the Moment of Inertia of a Long Rod pivoted at the center is (1/12) ML^2. The reason why its (1/3) ML^2 is because of the parallel axis theorem. You have:

I = (1/12) ML^2 + MD^2.
D is this case is (L/2). Therefore, if you add (1/12) + (1/4), you should get (1/3).
 
cair0 said:
I am confused as how to find the I of the meter stick rotating about its parallel axis in the center. Since the center of mass is at the center, and it is being pivioted about the center, it seems there would be no I at all.
Rotational inertia depends on the distribution of all the mass, not just the location of the center of mass. To find the rotational inertia of an object about an axis, you must integrate the contributions of each mass element. The rotational inertia of a small piece of mass Δm is ΔmR^2, where R is the distance from the axis. Doing the integration for a stick rotating about its center will give you (1/12)ML^2, as harsh noted.
 
im not entirely sure how to integrate R^2 theough dm

i mean in a uniform rod, M = Lp, so dm = p dL, but then integrating that, i get pR^3 /3 where am i going wrong here?
 
cair0 said:
im not entirely sure how to integrate R^2 theough dm

i mean in a uniform rod, M = Lp, so dm = p dL, but then integrating that, i get pR^3 /3 where am i going wrong here?

dm = p dL:
Wrong!
dm = p dR, where 0<=R<=L


Hence, we have:
[tex]I=\int_{0}^{L}pdR=\frac{p}{3}L^{3}=\frac{M}{3}L^{2}[/tex]

When doing integrations, you should ALWAYS INTRODUCE A DUMMY VARIABLE OF INTEGRATION!
This example is mathematically meaningless, but, unfortunately, it's common in physics texts:
[tex]F(t)=\int_{0}^{t}f(t)dt[/tex]
Never use this "convention"!

When integrating a function f, depending on time (for example) from 0 to an arbitrary time value t, write instead:
[tex]F(t)=\int_{0}^{t}f(\tau)d\tau[/tex]

Here, [tex]\tau[/tex] is called a dummy variable of integration.
 
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