Master Moment of Inertia with Integration: Rod, Disk & Center Axis Solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for different shapes (a rod and a disk) using integration techniques. Participants explore the implications of varying mass density functions and the correct application of integration methods in these contexts.

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  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the moment of inertia of a rod with a mass per unit length defined as \(\lambda=\lambda_o x\) and expresses confusion over the expected answer.
  • Another participant corrects the interpretation of the mass density, suggesting it should be \(\lambda=\lambda_{0}|x|\) to ensure non-negativity, and provides a method for calculating the moment of inertia.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and inquires about the necessity of absolute values in the sigma expressions for the disk problem.
  • One participant reasons that the density must be non-negative and discusses the need for absolute values in the context of the rod's density function.
  • Another participant confirms that the professor's second problem is correct and advises using polar coordinates for the disk's moment of inertia calculation, providing the appropriate area element and limits for integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for absolute values in the density function for the rod, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the sigma expressions for the disk and whether they require similar treatment.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential typos in the original problem statements, which may affect the interpretation of the density functions and the calculations involved.

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I've been doing moment of inertia problems and haven't had any trouble so far until these:

Using integration, find the moment of inertia of a rod about an axis through its center if the mass per unit length is [tex]\lambda=\lambda_o x[/tex]. The answer is supposed to come out to [tex]I=\frac 1 8 ML^2[/tex].

Using integration, find the moment of inertia of a disk of radius [tex]a[/tex], about its center if a) [tex]\sigma=\sigma_o r^{-1}[/tex] b) [tex]\sigma=\sigma_o r^2[/tex]. The answers are a) [tex]I=\frac 1 3 Ma^2[/tex] b) [tex]I=\frac 2 3 Ma^2[/tex]

Even with the answer I'm confused :confused:. Please please help me out...thank you.
 
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Okay, I'll do the first one for you.

The line density is given as [tex]\lambda=\lambda_{0}x[/tex]

It's no wonder that you are stuck with this exercise, because this expression is by itself meaningless.
The correct expression must be:
[tex]\lambda=\lambda_{0}|x|[/tex], -L/2<=x<=L/2
i.e the absolute value of x, rather than x itself.
(I assume you gave us ALL the information present in the exercise?)
We gain:
[tex]I=\int_{-\frac{L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}}\lambda_{0}|x|{x}^{2}dx=\lambda_{0}\frac{2}{4}(\frac{L}{2})^{4}[/tex]

The mass M of the rod is readily calculated:
[tex]M=\int_{-\frac{L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}}\lambda_{0}|x|dx=\lambda_{0}(\frac{L}{2})^{2}[/tex]
Combining the expressions yiels the desired result.
 
Thank you thank you thank you...I've been working on that problem for hours. Yeah I gave you ALL the information I had. My professor is notorious for having typos. I did the first problem the way you showed me and I understand it 100% now. I'm off to work on the last two on my own...thanks for all your help. BTW, how did you know it was the absolute value of x? Do the sigma expressions require absolute values also? Thanks again.
 
My reasoning was as follows:
1. Density has to be non-negative.
Hence, the only meaningful interpretation of the given expression as it stood, was that x is measured from one end of the rod (x=0 at one end) , but that does not give the stated expression.

2. Hence, I assumed that the density functionshould bemeasured from the point of the rotation axis, but then I had to introduce the absolute value in order to have a meaningful density function.

3. As to the area densities, I don't think so, since the radius pr. definition is non-negative (I haven't checked them yet)
 
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Thanks, you're a much better teacher than my professor. :) I've been working on the second problem for a few minutes now and I'm stuck again. Maybe another typo...I don't know but I'll keep trying it.
 
Well, thanks for the compliment, :smile:
(But there has to be a good reason why he's a professor, and I'm not!)
Your professor has the second problem right.
In order to solve it, you must use polar coordinates!
Remember that the proper area element, dA, has the form: [tex]dA=rdrd\theta[/tex],
with the limits:
[tex]0\leq{r}\leq{a},0\leq\theta\leq2\pi[/tex]
Good luck!
 

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