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vertices
Feb15-10, 07:31 PM
Again, I'm not sure whether this is the best place to post this question but its to do with gauge transformations, etc.

The question itself is rather stupid...

If we have a matrix U(g) (a Lie Group) and a vector φ in C (which is a scalar in spacetime) - does it make sense to use the chain rule thus:

{\partial}_\mu (U(g) \phi) = U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi + ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi

We are separately differentiating a matrix and vector - this seems very odd to me.

xepma
Feb16-10, 05:31 AM
Again, I'm not sure whether this is the best place to post this question but its to do with gauge transformations, etc.

The question itself is rather stupid...

If we have a matrix U(g) (a Lie Group) and a vector φ in C (which is a scalar in spacetime) - does it make sense to use the chain rule thus:

{\partial}_\mu (U(g) \phi) = U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi + ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi

We are separately differentiating a matrix and vector - this seems very odd to me.

Look at it from a component point of view. The i'th component of the vector \phi' = U(g)\phi is

[tex]\phi'_{i} = \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j[/itex]

This is simply a sum of differentiable stuff. So differentiating gives

[tex]{\partial}_\mu \phi'_{i} = {\partial}_\mu\left(\sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j\right) = \sum_j \left({\partial}_\mu U(g)_{ij}\right)\phi_j + \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\left({\partial}_\mu\phi_j\right)[/itex]

Now you can identify the first term with ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi and the second with U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi

Frame Dragger
Feb16-10, 07:42 AM
That makes sense, and doesn't seem stupid to me.

vertices
Feb16-10, 04:54 PM
Look at it from a component point of view. The i'th component of the vector \phi' = U(g)\phi is

[tex]\phi'_{i} = \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j[/itex]

This is simply a sum of differentiable stuff. So differentiating gives

[tex]{\partial}_\mu \phi'_{i} = {\partial}_\mu\left(\sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j\right) = \sum_j \left({\partial}_\mu U(g)_{ij}\right)\phi_j + \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\left({\partial}_\mu\phi_j\right)[/itex]

Now you can identify the first term with ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi and the second with U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi

thanks xempa - convincing explanation:)