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vertices
Feb15-10, 07:31 PM
Again, I'm not sure whether this is the best place to post this question but its to do with gauge transformations, etc.
The question itself is rather stupid...
If we have a matrix U(g) (a Lie Group) and a vector φ in C (which is a scalar in spacetime) - does it make sense to use the chain rule thus:
{\partial}_\mu (U(g) \phi) = U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi + ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi
We are separately differentiating a matrix and vector - this seems very odd to me.
Again, I'm not sure whether this is the best place to post this question but its to do with gauge transformations, etc.
The question itself is rather stupid...
If we have a matrix U(g) (a Lie Group) and a vector φ in C (which is a scalar in spacetime) - does it make sense to use the chain rule thus:
{\partial}_\mu (U(g) \phi) = U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi + ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi
We are separately differentiating a matrix and vector - this seems very odd to me.
Look at it from a component point of view. The i'th component of the vector \phi' = U(g)\phi is
[tex]\phi'_{i} = \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j[/itex]
This is simply a sum of differentiable stuff. So differentiating gives
[tex]{\partial}_\mu \phi'_{i} = {\partial}_\mu\left(\sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j\right) = \sum_j \left({\partial}_\mu U(g)_{ij}\right)\phi_j + \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\left({\partial}_\mu\phi_j\right)[/itex]
Now you can identify the first term with ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi and the second with U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi
Frame Dragger
Feb16-10, 07:42 AM
That makes sense, and doesn't seem stupid to me.
vertices
Feb16-10, 04:54 PM
Look at it from a component point of view. The i'th component of the vector \phi' = U(g)\phi is
[tex]\phi'_{i} = \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j[/itex]
This is simply a sum of differentiable stuff. So differentiating gives
[tex]{\partial}_\mu \phi'_{i} = {\partial}_\mu\left(\sum_j U(g)_{ij}\phi_j\right) = \sum_j \left({\partial}_\mu U(g)_{ij}\right)\phi_j + \sum_j U(g)_{ij}\left({\partial}_\mu\phi_j\right)[/itex]
Now you can identify the first term with ({\partial}_\mu U(g)) \phi and the second with U(g){\partial}_\mu \phi
thanks xempa - convincing explanation:)
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