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unam1292
Jun20-10, 03:46 PM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

I'm trying to show that

\frac{dE}{dT}= F x V where F is force and V is velocity

Can someone please help me out?


2. Relevant equations

F=\frac{dP}{dT}=M x V x \gamma


All of the other equations from special relativity (contraction, dilation, energy) are probably important as well.

3. The attempt at a solution

Honestly, I have no idea where to start. Can someone please point me in the right direction. I'm a high school junior and I have very little experience with relativity. I understand that I should show some work, but I truly don't have any but I have been trying for a while.

Please help me get started!

vela
Jun20-10, 04:59 PM
You should know the formula for the relativistic energy E of an object. Try differentiating that with respect to time and see what you get.

unam1292
Jun20-10, 05:04 PM
The formulas for relativistic energy don't involve time (t) as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure how taking the derivative of that would help unless I'm
overlooking something.

vela
Jun20-10, 05:20 PM
It doesn't depend explicitly on time, but the energy depends on \gamma, which, in turn, depends on velocity, which does change with time.

unam1292
Jun20-10, 06:21 PM
gosh, now I'm even more stuck, thanks anyway.

so you meant that I should use \frac{x}{t} instead of v?

well after doing that, and taking the derivative, I can see no way for it to manipulate in F x V.

vela
Jun20-10, 07:26 PM
No, I think that'll make it more complicated. Keep it in terms of just the velocity v.

Start with this first. You know that

\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(v/c)^2}}

What do you get if you differentiate it with respect to time, remembering that v is a function of time?

unam1292
Jun20-10, 07:41 PM
ok, this is what I have

\frac{dE}{dt}=mc^{2}\frac{-\gamma^{3}v}{c^{2}}\frac{dv}{dt}= F x V

am I doing this correctly? when equate the equation above with F x V (where F = gamma*mass*acceleration*v)
i get that -\gamma^{3}=\gamma so I get the feeling I messed up somewhere...

I really appreciate your help!

vela
Jun20-10, 07:59 PM
Hmm, not sure how you came up with that. Can you show more steps?

unam1292
Jun20-10, 08:12 PM
Sure,

So here's the derivative of gamma
\dot {\gamma} = \frac{d}{dt} \left( 1- \frac{v^2}{c^2} \right) ^{-1/2} = \left( \frac{-1}{2} \right) \left( \frac{-2v \dot {v} }{c^2} \right) \left( 1- \frac{v^2}{c^2} \right) ^{-3/2} = \gamma ^3 \left( \frac{v \dot {v}}{c^2} \right)

hence
\frac{dE}{dt}=mc^{2}\frac{-\gamma^{3}v}{c^{2}}\frac{dv}{dt}

because E = mc^{2}\gamma.

F\bulletV=m\gamma\frac{dv}{dt}v = \frac{dE}{dt}=mc^{2}\frac{\gamma^{3}v}{c^{2}}\frac {dv}{dt}

and then I simplified this

vela
Jun20-10, 08:24 PM
You're getting there. You need to be a bit more careful when calculating F. You know that the momentum is given by p=\gamma mv. When you differentiate it, you need to use the product rule.