Understanding Energy Corrections in a Perturbed Square Well Potential

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The discussion revolves around the energy corrections in a perturbed infinite one-dimensional square well potential, specifically examining the differences in first-order energy corrections for the ground state and the first excited state due to a small potential perturbation introduced in the middle of the well. The scope includes theoretical aspects of perturbation theory and calculations related to quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant notes that the first-order energy correction for the ground state is significantly lower than that for the first excited state and questions the reason behind this discrepancy.
  • Another participant suggests that the stability of the lower energy state might play a role, indicating that excited states have more dynamics included.
  • A participant describes the setup of the problem, detailing the wavefunctions and the perturbation parameters, and expresses confusion over the calculated energy corrections.
  • One participant calculates the integrals for the energy corrections and finds different values for the ground and first excited states, seeking a qualitative interpretation for the differences.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the initial results, explaining that the ground state probability density has a maximum at the perturbation location, while the first excited state has a node, suggesting this affects the energy corrections.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of the energy corrections, with some participants agreeing on the qualitative reasoning regarding the impact of the perturbation on the ground state versus the first excited state, while others present alternative calculations and results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact numerical values and interpretations.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the calculations or the qualitative interpretations of the energy corrections. There are unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical steps and the dependence on the definitions of the wavefunctions and perturbation parameters.

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we have a particle in an infinite one-dimensional square well potential

[V(x)=0 for 0<x<L and V(x) is infinite otherwise]

and introduce a small potential (perturbation) in the middle of the
square well potential. Then the first order energy correction
for the ground state is 100 times lower than the first order correction
to the first excited state. I don't understand why...

The wave function without the small potential step in the middle
is zero in the middle for the first excited state and maximum in the middle
for the ground state. Has the diffrence in energy corrections something
to do with this?
 
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Welcome JohanL !

I don't know exactly the parameters, so it is difficult to answer. Maybe the reason is that the lower energy state is especially stable, whereas excited states already have dynamics included.

I hope better answers will come.
 
Thank you!

Im just a beginner in perturbation theory...
The wavefunctions are just the usual standing waves in
[V(x)=0 for 0<x<L and V(x) is infinite otherwise]

and then a small step of width a=L/10 and height h is introduced in the
middle of the square well potential, i.e.
V(x)=h for 0.5(L-a)<x<0.5(L+a)

Then with perturbation theory I calculate the first orde energy corrections
to the unperturbed eigenvalues and I get that the corrections
is 100 times larger for the first excited state than for the ground state.
and i don't understand why...
 
OK, now all the parameters are here.

I don't know if my interpretation is correct. If I figure out something better, I'll let you know. The calculations barely tell you any deep reason. Do they ?
 
JohanL said:
Thank you!

Im just a beginner in perturbation theory...
The wavefunctions are just the usual standing waves in
[V(x)=0 for 0<x<L and V(x) is infinite otherwise]

and then a small step of width a=L/10 and height h is introduced in the
middle of the square well potential, i.e.
V(x)=h for 0.5(L-a)<x<0.5(L+a)

Do you mean <psi|V|psi> where V is your potential and psi the unperturbed state (sin(pi nx/L) ?

So I guess you calculate something like Integral( h sin^2(pi n x/L) dx) between x = 0.5(L-a) and 0.5(L+a) with appropriate normalisations I don't know by heart ?

cheers,
Patrick.
 
Yes, that's exactly what i have done.
and when i have calculated the integral i set n=1 for
the energy correction for the ground state and then n=2
for the correction for the first excited states.
and the corrections i get is
E(n=1)=0.0016 h
E(n=2)=0.19 h

and then i need a qualitative interpretation for why they differ
so much...
 
JohanL said:
Yes, that's exactly what i have done.
and when i have calculated the integral i set n=1 for
the energy correction for the ground state and then n=2
for the correction for the first excited states.
and the corrections i get is
E(n=1)=0.0016 h
E(n=2)=0.19 h

I get something else.

psi_n(x) = sqrt(2/L) Sin[ n Pi x/L ]

I then find (using Mathematica) that the integral of psi_n(x)^2 from (L-a)/2 to (L+a)/2 equals:

a/L - Cos[n Pi] Sin[ a n Pi/L] / (n Pi)

this gives for the first energy correction:

a/L + Sin[a Pi/L]

for the second:

a/L - Sin[2 a Pi/L] / (2 Pi)

...

(all this times h of course).
Filling in L -> 1, a -> 1/10, I find numerically:
{0.198363, 0.00645107, 0.185839, 0.0243173, 0.163662, 0.0495449}

for n = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

Now maybe I'm wrong ! I can send you the (simple) mathematica sheet if you want.

cheers,
Patrick.
 
JohanL said:
Yes, that's exactly what i have done.
and when i have calculated the integral i set n=1 for
the energy correction for the ground state and then n=2
for the correction for the first excited states.
and the corrections i get is
E(n=1)=0.0016 h
E(n=2)=0.19 h

and then i need a qualitative interpretation for why they differ
so much...

Hi there.

I can tell without doing the calculation that your results can't be right.

Your perturbation is in the center of the well. Around that point, the ground state probability density has a maximum whereas the second excited state has a node. Therefore, the ground state will be much more affected by the perturbation than the first excited state.

Pat
 
Thank you Patrick and Pat!
Now I understand!
 

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