Calculate Molarity of Cl- in Solution

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molarity of chloride ions (Cl-) in a solution following a series of chemical reactions involving chromium (Cr3+) and ethylenediamine (en). Participants explore the relationships between the volumes and concentrations of the solutions involved, as well as the stoichiometry of the reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method to calculate the molarity of Cl- based on the stoichiometry of the reactions and the volumes of solutions used.
  • Another participant suggests a step-by-step approach to identify potential mistakes in the calculations, emphasizing the importance of accounting for excess Cr3+.
  • A later reply indicates a different calculated molarity of Cl- (0.022 M), suggesting that the previous calculations may have been incorrect.
  • One participant raises a question about the reactivity of Cr(Cl)6 with en, proposing that ethylenediamine may not react readily with the chromium complex, which could affect the calculations.
  • There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the reactions and the need for clarity regarding the interactions between the species involved.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and the reactivity of the chromium complex with en. There is no consensus on the correct molarity of Cl- or the nature of the reactions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the reactivity of Cr(Cl)6 with en, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

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nautica
A Cl solution with a volume of 13.53 mL was treated with 30.0 mL of Cr3+ solution (containing excess Cr3+) to convert to hexachlorochromateIII:

6Cl- + Cr ----- Cr(Cl)6

The excess Cr3+ was then tirated with 11.85 mL of 0.01280 M (en) according to equation:

Cr + 3en ------------- Cr(en)3

Cr(Cl)6 does not react with en. If 41.35 ML of en were required to react with 20.17 mL of the original Cr3+ solution, calculate the molarity of Cl in the 13.53 mL Chloride sample.

THIS IS WHAT I DID

0.04135 L * 0.01280 M / 3 moles / 0.02017 L * 0.03 L * 6 mol Cl / 0.01353 L with an answer of 0.1164 M Cl- in solution

my problem is - no where did I include the 11.85 mL of the en that was calculated. Do I need to or does this look correct?

Thanks
Nautica
 
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You can find Cl- molarity by equating no: moles.
You can find molarity of Cr3+ by:
41.35 ML of en were required to react with 20.17 mL of the original Cr3+ solution

Then you can find no moles of Cr3+ excess in reaction b/w Cl- by:

The excess Cr3+ was then tirated with 11.85 mL of 0.01280 M (en)

Therefore you can find no moles of Cr3+ required to react with CL- and thus no moles of Cl- by:
13.53 mL was treated with 30.0 mL of Cr3+ solution

The dividing by volume you get Molarity.

Central idea is that there is excess Cr3+.
Sorry for long post
regards
 
That sounds better. Let me try it and I will post my results.

Thanks
Nautica
 
I am still doing something wrong

0.04135 L * .01280 M / 3 moles * .02017 L * .01185 L / .03 L * .0135 L * 6 moles

gives me 1.14 x 10 ^-7 then I divided that by the 13.35 mL to get 8.4 x 10^-6 M of Cl- but that does not sound right.

thanks
 
I will try to do it in steps so that we can find out mistakes if any easily. :biggrin:
molarity of cr3+=41.35 *0.01280 /3*(20.17) -->(A)
(note:both V are in mL so conversion factor cancels out)
Total no moles in Cr3+soln = (A)*30.0 /1000 -->(B)
No: moles unreacted=11.85 *0.01280 /3 -->(C)
Therefore total no moles unreacted=(B)-(C)
Therefore total no moles of CL- == [(B)-(C)]*6
Molarity of Cl- = [(B)-(C)]*6/.01353
Too lazy to do numericals now :zzz: .Try this. :smile: :biggrin: :wink:
 
That answer looks better. I am getting 0.022 M of Cl-
 
I will not contribute to the answering effort, as poolwin2001 did it quite well. I wondered some other thing:

nautica said:
Cr(Cl)6 does not react with en.

It is interesting, since ethylenediamine is a chelator, strong enough to make hexachlorochromate(III) ion to convert [Cr(en)3]3+, at least this is what I thought when I read this thread.

The theoretical reaction should be like this:

[itex][CrCl_6]^{3-}~+~3~en \rightarrow [Cr(en)_3]^{3+}~+~6~Cl^-[/itex]

I have some suggestions though. It is possible that ethylenediamine does not react readily with the labile chromium complex, so a rapid treatment would only chelate the uncomplexed chromium.

Is there anyone to clear this?
 

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