Faster than Light with X-Ray Reflection: Is it Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether X-rays can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum (c) due to their refractive index being slightly less than 1 in certain materials. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon in the context of X-ray reflection and refraction.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Manesh, expresses confusion about the implication of a refractive index (n) less than 1 for X-rays, questioning how this relates to the speed of light.
  • Another participant suggests that if the refractive index for X-rays is less than 1, it could imply that X-rays travel faster than 3x10^8 m/s when refracted.
  • A participant mentions the existence of materials with a refractive index slightly less than 1 and inquires about specific examples.
  • There is a reference to the phenomenon of light being slowed down to 38 mph in Bose-Einstein condensates, which raises further questions about the nature of light speed in different states of matter.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between the index of refraction and phase velocity, noting that group velocity is likely less than c, while also acknowledging exceptions in anomalous dispersion and the concept of "signal velocity."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether X-rays can indeed travel faster than c, and there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of a refractive index less than 1.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the physical meaning of phase and group velocities, as well as the conditions under which light speed may vary in different materials and states of matter. These aspects remain unresolved.

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Faster than c!

hi
I read that the refractive index(n) for X-rays in meterials are less than 1(very little less than 1). I got confused ..I am using X-ray reflection at the moment. But I am not convinced by the fact that n<1 means faster than c(velocity of light in vacuum or in air)!
hope somebody can explain the contradiction :wink:
cheers
Manesh
 
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I looked this up over the net and ka-boom! the refractive index of x-rays is slightly less than 1. So could this mean that when x-rays undergo refraction they travel faster than 3x10^8?

What material is this by the way that refractive index is slightly less than one?

Oh and I just thought that I would bring this up, c can also be slowed to 38mph when passed through the 6th state of matter - bose einstein condensates.
 
EIRE2003 said:
I looked this up over the net and ka-boom! the refractive index of x-rays is slightly less than 1. So could this mean that when x-rays undergo refraction they travel faster than 3x10^8?

What material is this by the way that refractive index is slightly less than one?

Oh and I just thought that I would bring this up, c can also be slowed to 38mph when passed through the 6th state of matter - bose einstein condensates.

The index of refraction is related to the phase velocity which, in some sense, is not a physically meaningful concept (it would require a wave of definite wavelength, hence of infinite extent). What matters for the propagation of wavepackets is the group velocity, which is probably less than c (I say probably because there are exceptions to that statement too, in regions of anomaloous dispersion, in which case one must introduce a so-called "signal velocity" )

Pat
 
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