What i do wrong(find the current)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the current in resistor R3 within an electric circuit. Participants explore the application of mesh analysis and the implications of their calculated mesh currents on the overall current through R3.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether the voltage in loop C should be 100V or 0V, leading to different equations.
  • Another participant asserts that the equation for loop C should equal 100V due to the presence of a 100V source.
  • Participants share their calculated mesh currents: a=-10/3, b=-70/3, c=10/3, d=-100/3, and note the need to adjust the assumed directions for currents a and b.
  • There is a discussion about how the currents a, b, and c affect the current in R3, with one participant suggesting that the correct answer of 6.666A is obtained by adding currents a and c together.
  • Another participant clarifies that the total current through R3 is the difference between currents a and c, indicating that the negative sign in their calculations reflects the actual direction of flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculated mesh currents but have differing views on the implications of these currents for R3. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the current direction and the final value for the current in R3.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made in their equations, particularly regarding the voltage in loop C and the directions of the mesh currents. There are also unresolved aspects related to the interpretation of negative current values.

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in the picture you can see the electric circuit.
i asked to find the current in R3.

i mark 4 circle (a b c d)
and i got the 4 equations (shown in blue color).

in equation C, i not sure if is equal to 100 or to 0, but i tried with both of them.

after i found this equations i used this calculator:http://wims.unice.fr/wims/wims.cgi?session=YCB515D978.2&+lang=en&+module=tool/linear/linsolver.en

to get the 4 variable.
but for some reason i am not get the correct answer is should be 6.666A.
what i do wrong?

thanks.
 

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For loop C there is a 100V source there, so your equation should = 100.

Otherwise the equations appear to be okay. What values do you get for the mesh currents?
 
well the values i get for the mesh currents is: a=-10/3, b=-70/3, c=10/3, d=-100/3
so i know i need to change direction for a,and b circles.

the current in R3 are affected from the currents a,b,c ? i get the correct answer that should be 6.666A, only if i take a and c and addition them together.

what do you think?
thanks.
 
omni said:
well the values i get for the mesh currents is: a=-10/3, b=-70/3, c=10/3, d=-100/3
so i know i need to change direction for a,and b circles.

the current in R3 are affected from the currents a,b,c ? i get the correct answer that should be 6.666A, only if i take a and c and addition them together.

what do you think?
thanks.

The currents that you found are correct. They correspond to the mesh currents as you've drawn them (meaning that negative values imply that the mesh current is actually flowing in the opposite direction to the assumed direction. But that's fine! Leave the circuit drawing alone and just keep the negative values -- they are fine together.

When you wrote the mesh current equations you had terms in each of them that represented the currents from other meshes that flowed in shared components. That's how, for example, terms -10b, -10c, and 0d appeared in the equation for the first mesh. What this means is that TWO mesh currents can flow in shared components, and the net current in that component is then the sum of those two currents.

For R3, mesh current A flows down through it and mesh current C flows up through it. So the total flowing in the downward direction (if that's what you want) is I = a - c. Your values of a and c are -10/3 and 10/3 amps respectively. So I = -10/3 - 10/3 = -20/3. The negative sign indicates that the "real" net current flows upwards through R3.
 
again you make it clear to understand.

i really appreciate your help :)
 
omni said:
again you make it clear to understand.

i really appreciate your help :)

And I'm happy to help! Cheers!
 

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