How do I use the Laplace Transform to solve for the integral of sin ax?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of the Laplace Transform to solve the integral of sin(ax). Participants explore different methods for deriving the transform, including the application of Euler's formula and partial integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in integrating sin(ax) and seeks to derive the Laplace Transform independently.
  • Another participant provides a solution using Euler's formula and substitution, arriving at the result L(sin(ax)) = a/(a² + s²) for s > 0.
  • Partial integration is suggested as an alternative method, though one participant argues it is ineffective without proper verification.
  • A later reply confirms the use of partial integration, presenting a detailed computation that leads to the same result as the earlier method.
  • One participant admits to initially choosing a less effective approach to partial integration and acknowledges the correctness of the other method.
  • There is a correction regarding a missing 'dx' in one of the integrals presented, highlighting the collaborative nature of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants demonstrate disagreement regarding the effectiveness of partial integration, with some asserting it does not work while others provide computations that suggest otherwise. The discussion remains unresolved on the superiority of the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the convergence of integrals and the conditions under which the Laplace Transform is applied. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the techniques involved.

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I can't seem to integrate this properly and can't find the proper algebraic substituition for it. There's a table of laplace transforms and sin ax is included but I'll really like to do it myself.

[tex]{\cal L} (sin ax)[/tex]
 
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[tex]L (\sin ax)=:\int_{0}^{+\infty} e^{-sx}\sin ax dx[/tex]
Use Euler's formula to get
[tex]L (\sin ax)=Im[\int_{0}^{+\infty} e^{-x(s-ia)} dx][/tex]
Make the substitution
[tex]-x(s-ia)\rightarrow -z[/tex],with [tex]|z|=x^{2}(a^{2}+s^{2})[/tex]
and solve the integral to get:
[tex]L (\sin ax)=Im(\frac{1}{s-ia})=\frac{a}{a^{2}+s^{2}}[/tex]
,s>0.

Daniel.
 
hey, haven't thought about Euler's formula, thanks a lot...
 
Partial integration would also have worked, but maybe takes a little longer.
 
Partial integration does not work.U try it and convince yourself I'm right.You expressed an opinion without checking the computations...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Partial integration does not work.U try it and convince yourself I'm right.You expressed an opinion without checking the computations...

Daniel.

Check again, I did, got the same answer...
 
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[tex]\int_0^\infty e^{-sx}sin(ax)dx=-\frac{1}{a} cos(ax)e^{-sx}|_0^\infty - \frac{s}{a} \int_0^\infty cos(ax)e^{-sx}dx[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{a}-\frac{s}{a} [\frac{1}{a}sin(ax)e^{-sx}|_0^\infty + \frac{s}{a} \int_0^\infty sin(ax)e^{-sx}dx ][/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{a}-\frac{s^2}{a^2} \int_0^\infty sin(ax)e^{-sx}[/tex]

so
[tex](1+\frac{s^2}{a^2}) \int_0^\infty e^{-sx}sin(ax)dx = \frac{1}{a}[/tex]
[tex]\int_0^\infty e^{-sx}sin(ax)dx = \frac{a}{a^2+s^2}[/tex]
 
I'm sorry,u were right. :redface: There are 2 ways to part integrate.I chose the one that didn't go anywhere. :redface:

[tex]\int_{0}^{+\infty} e^{-sx}\sin ax dx=-\frac{1}{a}(\cos ax) e^{-sx}|_{0}^{+\infty}-\frac{s}{a}\int_{0}^{+\infty} (\cos ax) e^{-sx} dx[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{1}{a}-\frac{s}{a}[\frac{1}{a}(\sin ax e)^{-sx}|_{0}^{+\infty}+\frac{s}{a}\int_{0}^{+\infty} (\sin ax) e^{-sx} dx][/tex]

Denote the first integral by 'I' and u'll get:
[tex]I=\frac{1}{a}-\frac{s^{2}}{a^{2}}I\Rightarrow I=\frac{a}{s^{2}+a^{2}}[/tex]

I don't know why,but i like the complex integral version much more... :-p

Daniel.

EDIT:At the same time...U missed a 'dx' in your antepenultimate integral... :-p
 
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