E=MC^2 - Do I have this right?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation and application of the equation E=mc², particularly in the context of energy measurement, mass at rest versus moving mass, and its implications in nuclear fusion. Participants explore various aspects of the equation, including units of energy, the effects of velocity on energy calculations, and the conversion of mass in nuclear reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the unit of measure for energy (E), with responses indicating that it is typically measured in Joules, but also noting other units like Ergs, eV, and Calories depending on the context.
  • There is a discussion about the application of E=mc² for mass at rest, with some participants clarifying that the complete formula for moving mass includes relativistic factors, specifically E = mc²/√(1-(v/c)²).
  • One participant suggests that if mass is moving at 50% of the speed of light, the energy calculated would be greater than mc², as it includes kinetic energy in addition to rest energy.
  • Participants discuss the application of the formula in nuclear fusion, with one noting that the mass converted into energy during fusion must be expressed in kilograms for accurate calculations.
  • There is a correction regarding the notation of mass, with emphasis on distinguishing between rest mass and total energy, leading to further clarification on the use of the Lorentz factor (γ).
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between rest energy and potential energy, prompting further clarification on the definitions and implications of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of the equation E=mc², but there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of mass in motion, the correct units of energy, and the nuances of energy calculations in different contexts. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the interpretation of energy in various scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of energy units, the dependence on the context of mass (rest mass versus moving mass), and unresolved mathematical steps in applying the formula to specific scenarios.

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OK first let me explain, I have NO formal physics background, not even high school, so please don't flame me if these are dumb questions :smile:

1. What unit of measure is E? If it were distance we could say miles or kilometers.

2. I understand that this formula is for mass at rest. If the mass were moving at 50% light speed, would the answer to E=MC^2 be half of what it would be for the same mass at rest?

3. In nuclear fusion I understand the energy is based on applying this formula to the mass left over when 2 atoms fuse. So looking at a Hydrogen atom, if .00794 atomic mass were converted into energy during the fusion, does that mean the energy gained from this fusion is Energy = .00794 x c^2? I don't know if that is the right number but I needed to apply one for the purpose of this question.

Thanks
 
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ShadowKnight said:
OK first let me explain, I have NO formal physics background, not even high school, so please don't flame me if these are dumb questions :smile:

1. What unit of measure is E? If it were distance we could say miles or kilometers.

Energy,and it is measured in Joules.

ShadowKnight said:
2. I understand that this formula is for mass at rest.

Not exactly in that form.[tex]E=m_{0}c^{2}[/tex] is for mass at rest.Notice the fact that the subscript "0" indicates that thing... :wink:

ShadowKnight said:
If the mass were moving at 50% light speed, would the answer to E=MC^2 be half of what it would be for the same mass at rest?

No.It would be more.It's really easy to compute the energy,once you know the connection between rest mass [itex]m_{0}[/itex],movement mass [itex]m[/itex] (or "M",as you denoted it) and the velocity [itex]v=|\vec{v}|[/itex].Just arithmetics.

ShadowKnight said:
3. In nuclear fusion I understand the energy is based on applying this formula to the mass left over when 2 atoms fuse. So looking at a Hydrogen atom, if .00794 atomic mass were converted into energy during the fusion, does that mean the energy gained from this fusion is Energy = .00794 x c^2? I don't know if that is the right number but I needed to apply one for the purpose of this question.

Thanks

EXACTLY...Einstein's formula tells us how much energy is involved in nuclear reactions...Pay attention with the units,though.That 0.00794 a.m.u.needs to be converted to Kg and then the final result (the energy) would be in Joules,energy's unit.

Daniel.
 
1. Any unit of energy will do. The standard SI unit is the Joule. If m is in kilograms and c is in metres per second, then E works out in Joules.

2. The complete formula is:

[tex]E = \frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(v/c)^2}}[/tex]

where [itex]v[/itex] is the speed of the object.

If you plug in [itex]v=c/2[/itex], you get:

[tex]E = \frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(1/2)^2}} = \frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}mc^2 \approx (1.15)mc^2[/tex]

When an object is moving, the energy is greater than [itex]mc^2[/itex]. In fact, [itex]mc^2[/itex] is the rest energy only. The "extra" energy is kinetic energy.

3. Essentially, you are right, but you need the mass in kilograms rather than atomic mass units. The conversion factor is:

[itex]1[/itex] amu = [itex]1.66 \times 10^{-24}[/tex] kilograms.<br /> <br /> Hope this helps.[/itex]
 
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how do you make those javascript equations?

also, not to sound stupid, but what exactly is E=mc^2 solving, the energy at rest? and if that is the case would that be more commonly known as potential energy?
 
No.In the form where that "m" is the rest mass,it is just the rest energy of the particle.If that "m" is not the rest mass,it is the TOTAL ENERGY OF THE PARTICLE,rest+kinetic...

Daniel.
 
ShadowKnight said:
1. What unit of measure is E?

Physicist - Joules
Astrophysicist - Ergs
Particle Physicist - eV
Nutritionist - Calories
Electrician - Kilowatt-hours
King of England - Foot-pounds
Oil Tycoon - Barrels
Enron Executive - Dollars
Mars Spacecraft Operator - Joules, no...foot-pounds, wait, no...
 
ShadowKnight said:
1. What unit of measure is E? If it were distance we could say miles or kilometers.
The unit is Jopules. This a derived unit and as such can be exressed in term of basic units, i.e. [joules] = [N = Newton's][L = distance] where

[joules] = [kg][m2]/[s2]
2. I understand that this formula is for mass at rest. If the mass were moving at 50% light speed, would the answer to E=MC^2 be half of what it would be for the same mass at rest?
If you intend m to mean rest mass then your equation leaves something to be desired. The actuall expression is [itex]E = \gamma mc^2[/itex]. You should have written E0 = mc2. The expression for energy for a particle in motion is

[tex]E = \gamma m c^2[/tex]

recall that

[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}[/tex]

Its rather simple to get the energy you're speaking of. Merely replace v by v/2.

Pete
 
pmb_phy said:
Its rather simple to get the energy you're speaking of. Merely replace v by v/2.
He meant to write c/2, not v/2.
 
Thanks! I understand it better now.
 

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