Overcoming Bias in Language and Science

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of language bias in scientific communication, particularly focusing on non-native English speakers in the context of physics. Participants explore the implications of language proficiency on understanding and engagement in scientific discourse.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that language proficiency should not determine one's worth or intelligence, suggesting that everyone is equal regardless of their English skills.
  • Others argue that if communication is unclear, it may lead to participants ignoring contributions, which raises concerns about inclusivity in discussions.
  • A few participants acknowledge their own struggles with English and emphasize the importance of patience and clarification in discussions.
  • There are comments about the difficulty of understanding complex theories when expressed in imperfect English, which may hinder motivation to engage further.
  • Some participants share personal experiences with language barriers, highlighting the effort required to communicate effectively in a second language.
  • Humorous exchanges occur, indicating a lighter side to the discussion, but they also reflect the underlying tension regarding language proficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of inclusivity and understanding in discussions, but multiple competing views remain regarding how to effectively address language barriers and the impact on scientific communication.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the expectations of language proficiency in scientific discussions and the extent to which it affects participation and comprehension.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in multilingual scientific communities, educators addressing language barriers, and those exploring the intersection of language and science communication.

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I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.
 
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Yes what you say is correct. However, if most of us find it difficult to understand what you say, what can we do but ignore you?
 
Well,i'm a nonnative English speaker as well,and therefore make spelling mistakes on my own,but I undertstand very well your situation.Ignorance is not an option.

Daniel.
 
Well there are different degrees of understanding. I mean thinker can't even get sentence structure correct -- it's a difficult thing to do, to be able to speak two different languages (I can personally), but some basics have to be there. Having seen a lot of his posts, it's fairly obvious that Daniel isn't a native English speaker, but then it's not obvious by reading just one or two which goes to show that he understands the language well.

I don't mean we should ignore, but perhaps try to answer the questions raised, and ask for further clarification.

But when thinker is talking about theories that he/she has devised, and formulas that he/she has derived, in something that can remotely be called English, it is difficult to find the motivation to pursue the issue.
 
thinker said:
I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.

Even though someone might nag about it, it certainly is not an issue of any kind, and at most it means that we need a couple of more rounds of iteration when discussing topics. Those who are better able need to be considerate.
 
thinker said:
I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.



Your ability to speak english is not indicative of your intelligence, sure. However that does make all people equal. You can't throw a rock without hitting a moron.

But you are right that your ability to speak english does not indicate your intelligence.

But if people don't understand you, there's not much they can do when it comes to talking with you. language barrier when discussing physics can be a real problem.
 
what the f are you all talking about. I can't understand a word you are saying, therefore it must not be important.
 
to sum it up, he is talking about insensitive farts like you... ;-)
 
lol, guilty as charged.
 
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klusener said:
to sum it up, he is talking about insensitive farts like you... ;-)

Hey tribdog is the most sensitive guy i know. Who else, after all the horrible burns, could still feel it when he gets stabbed with a mechanical pencil?
 
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franznietzsche said:
Hey tribdog is the most sensitive guy i know. Who else, after all the horrible burns, could still feel it when he gets stabbed with a mechanical pencil?
thanks hun, you're pretty sensitive yourself :wink: if you know what I mean.
 
  • #12
tribdog said:
thanks hun, you're pretty sensitive yourself :wink: if you know what I mean.


Actually its rather insensitive...only way i can explain how long it lasts. :wink:
 
  • #13
thinker said:
I can't be subjected to the bias because English speak not good?
Can't is not high to be subjected to the bias because of the quantum physics level?
I think regardless is who we are equal.Regardless the level is high and low, regardless how English is.

Agree I. Bias speak good no English indicator bad the quality both the of intelligence level the and equality of ultimate are we.
 
  • #14
franznietzsche said:
Your ability to speak english is not indicative of your intelligence, sure. However that does make all people equal. You can't throw a rock without hitting a moron.

But you are right that your ability to speak english does not indicate your intelligence.

But if people don't understand you, there's not much they can do when it comes to talking with you. language barrier when discussing physics can be a real problem.

I know that language is a very big obstacle.I try as far as possible to communicate with you.Hope that you can enough I help.Thank you!
 
  • #15
thinker said:
I know that language is a very big obstacle.I try as far as possible to communicate with you.Hope that you can enough I help.Thank you!


Out of curiousity, what is your first language?
 
  • #16
motai said:
Agree I. Bias speak good no English indicator bad the quality both the of intelligence level the and equality of ultimate are we.


I got a headache from reading that.
 
  • #17
franznietzsche said:
Out of curiousity, what is your first language?

Chinese.
I speaker English a little.I am sorry.I am sorry.
 
  • #18
thinker said:
Chinese.
I speaker English a little.I am sorry.I am sorry.

No apologies needed ... just keep it up :smile: !
 
  • #19
thinker said:
Chinese.
I speaker English a little.I am sorry.I am sorry.


Not sure what you're apologizing for.

I was just curious.
 
  • #20
I met some Chinese individuals in College and they work hard. I really admire their dedication to work. They sit there and try to figure out half of the English words, and then review because they still don't clearly understand the English. I wish I had that motivation.

My first language is French, but no one can tell. I am pure English now, but I still know French of course. :D
 
  • #21
Just out of curiousity: Masudr, are you studying physics, and if so at which college?
 
  • #22
i respect everyone who can speak multiple languages. I only know the cuss words and how to say "Will you sleep with me?" in other languages.
 
  • #23
tribdog said:
I only know the cuss words and how to say "Will you sleep with me?" in other languages.

Do you know "yes" and "no" in those languages too? It's not very useful to know how to ask if you don't know what the answer is. :-p
 

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