Solving Complex Polynomial Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the polynomial equation x^5 = x, with participants exploring methods for finding its roots, including both real and complex solutions. The conversation includes technical reasoning, proposed approaches, and some debate regarding the implications of dividing by zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rearranging the equation to x^5 - x = 0 and expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Another participant confirms that x=0 is a solution and proposes dividing the equation by x to find remaining solutions, referencing the method for finding n-th roots of unity.
  • A different participant acknowledges the method of dividing by x and expresses appreciation for the clarification regarding roots of unity.
  • One participant introduces the idea that x can also be considered as infinity.
  • Another participant provides a factorization of the polynomial, identifying real solutions as 0, -1, and 1, and complex solutions as i and -i.
  • One participant reiterates the original question about solving the equation and emphasizes the necessity of deriving conclusions rather than stating them.
  • A participant notes that the complex exponential is multivalued, implying an infinite number of solutions for x^4 = 1.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of dividing by zero and questions the reasoning behind claiming 0/0 is infinity.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the complex exponential, with one participant asserting it is single-valued and suggesting that the complex logarithm might be what was meant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the implications of dividing by zero and the nature of the complex exponential. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on the definitions of complex numbers and operations involving zero, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. The implications of dividing by zero are also left ambiguous.

Exulus
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Hi guys, can anyone tell me how I would go about solving this equation? :

[itex]x^5 = x[/itex]

Rearranging it gives:
[itex]x^5 - x = 0[/itex]

But then I don't really know what to do next. I know just from looking at it and thinking about it that the roots should be x = 0, 1, -1, -i, i...but I need to be able to come to that conclusion rather than state it.

Thanks for any help :)
 
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Well, you can clearly see x=0 is a solution, so for the other solutions, you can divide the equation by x.
Can you solve the remaining equation? (There's a general method for finding the n n-th roots of unity).

By the way, since you have all the solutions, you can factor the polynomial or so.
 
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ahh of course! That'll explain it. I did wonder as i was looking through my notes, we were taught how to find roots of unity but not this. Dividing by x makes that possible, cheers :)
 
hey
x can also be infinity
 
you can simply factor it like this:

[tex]x^5 - x = 0[/tex]
[tex]x(x^4-1)=0[/tex]
[tex]x(x^2+1)(x^2-1)=0[/tex]
[tex]x(x^2+1)(x+1)(x-1)=0[/tex]

now its obvious the real solutions are:
[tex]0,-1,1[/tex]

and the complex solutions are:
[tex]x^2+1=0[/tex]
[tex]x^2=-1[/tex]
[tex]x=i[/tex]
[tex]x=-i[/tex]
 
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Exulus said:
Hi guys, can anyone tell me how I would go about solving this equation? :

[itex]x^5 = x[/itex]

Rearranging it gives:
[itex]x^5 - x = 0[/itex]

But then I don't really know what to do next. I know just from looking at it and thinking about it that the roots should be x = 0, 1, -1, -i, i...but I need to be able to come to that conclusion rather than state it.

Thanks for any help :)

The only way this is posible is if [tex]x:=0; 0^5 = 0;[/tex]
 
Of course,the complex exponential is multivalued,that means that the # of solutions to

[tex]x^{4}=1[/tex]

is infinite.

Daniel.
 
nice work anzas,
and u exulus,my idea was this divide both side by x,u get x^4=1call this equation one,and rem. x[x^4-1]=0 this was resolved from the above question sub. x^4as 1 x(0)=0now divide both sides by 0 x=0/0 which is infinity.if u disagree let me know .see ya
 
abia ubong said:
now divide both sides by 0

bad idea. What does it mean to divide by zero exactly? And why do you think 0/0 is infinity?

dextercioby said:
Of course,the complex exponential is multivalued,that means that the # of solutions to

[tex]x^4 =1[/tex]

is infinite.

Daniel.

I always thought the complex exponential was pretty single-valued. What's a value of [itex]e^{ i\alpha}[/itex], other than [itex]\cos \alpha + i\sin \alpha[/itex]?
 
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the complex exponential is single valued. maybe he meant the complex log.
 

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