Weird state density calculation

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the density of states for a free particle in momentum space, particularly focusing on the integration over angles in the presence of an electric field. Participants explore the implications of using spherical coordinates and the relationship between momentum and position in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the derivation of the density of states, specifically the appearance of the sine function and the factor of \(2\pi\) in the integral.
  • Another participant explains that the expression for \(dp^3\) in spherical coordinates includes the sine term and that the integration domain is defined by the angles \([\theta_0, \theta_0 + d\theta]\).
  • A participant expresses confusion about the use of angles in momentum space versus spatial coordinates, seeking clarification on the relationship between momentum, velocity, and the electric field.
  • One participant reformulates the question to clarify whether the angle in question is between momentum and the electric field or between position and the field, suggesting it should be the former.
  • Another participant introduces the commutation relation between position and momentum, discussing how changing the direction of position coordinates affects the associated momentum and its conjugate observable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of angles in the context of momentum space and the relationship between momentum and position. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of angles in momentum space versus spatial coordinates, and the implications of the commutation relations on the calculations being discussed.

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Hey everyone,
I'm having some trouble understanding this, any help would be appreciated:

Calculate the density of states for a free particle with momentum [tex]\[<br /> \hbar k<br /> \][/tex] for the angles between [tex]\[<br /> \left[ {\theta _0 ,\theta _0 + d\theta } \right]<br /> \][/tex] relative to an electric field [tex]\[<br /> \vec \varepsilon <br /> \][/tex], in the ultra-relative limit [tex]\[<br /> E \cong pc<br /> \][/tex].

In my solutions, the first thing they do is to say: Well, as usual, first find [tex]\[<br /> N\left( E \right)<br /> \][/tex] and then take the derivative with respect to [tex]\[<br /> E<br /> \][/tex], but that's OK. The problem is how they calculate [tex]\[<br /> N\left( E \right)<br /> \][/tex]:

[tex]\[<br /> N\left( E \right) = \frac{V}{{h^3 }}\int\limits_{\theta \in \left[ {\theta _0 ,\theta _0 + d\theta } \right]} {d^3 p} = \frac{V}{{h^3 }}2\pi \sin \left( {\theta _0 } \right)d\theta \int\limits_0^{p_{\max } } {p^2 d^2 p} <br /> \][/tex]

I can live with the first move. But I don't understand where this sine comes from, or [tex]\[<br /> 2\pi <br /> \][/tex], and that other integral... help? :smile:
Thanks in advance!
 
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dp^3= 2.pi. sin(theta) p^2dp (spherical coordinates with pre integration over phi angle)
Therafter, you have the integration domain of the integral: [theta, theta+dtheta] that forces the final result (to be more correct, the dtheta should appear).

Seratend.
P.S. I think your rhs integral should be p^2dp and not p^2dp^2 (otherwise I have not well understood your pb)
 
Yes but you see, this is what I don't understand. The integral is in momentum space, not coordinates. So you can use "spherical coordinates", but why are the angles here the same angles as in space?
You see what's giving me trouble?
Thanks!
 
OK, let me reformulate my question: is the angle between the velocity (and therefore the momentum) and the field, or between the position and the field?
Come to think of it, the particles position can't be defined, right? So it should be between momentum and field, and so the calculation would be clear.
Did I understand that correctly?
 
Ok, let's try to stay simple.
You know that momentun is linked to the position through the commutator relation :
[q_i,p_j]=i.hbar delta_{ij}. [1]

Now, if you change the direction of the position coordinates, let's call it q_theta for the new direction, you always may define the conjugate momentum for this direction: [q_theta,p_theta]= i.hbar.

In the relation of my previous post, we have just have defined the momentum along the direction theta, p_theta. It is associated therefore the momentum associated to the position of the theta direction through the commutator relation.

If you are note sure of my answer, just write the p_theta momentum on the (px,py,pz) coordinates, and then use the relation [1] to find the conjugate observable q_theta that gives the result [q_theta,p_theta]= i.hbar. You will find that it is the theta direction position axis.

Seratend.
 
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OK great, thanks a lot.
 

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