Why do the standard emf and calculated emf values differ in electrochemistry?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between standard electromotive force (emf) values and calculated emf values in electrochemistry, particularly in relation to the Nernst equation and equilibrium constants. Participants explore the implications of these equations in the context of cell potential calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that E(cell) can be expressed as E(cathode) - E(anode) and question why this differs from the value obtained using E(cell) = (RT/nF)ln K.
  • One participant suggests that the expression E(cell) = (RT/nF)ln K is incorrect and emphasizes the need for standard redox potentials in the calculations.
  • Another participant mentions that their text states E(cell)0 = (RT/nF)(ln k), which leads to confusion regarding the relationship between standard emf and calculated emf.
  • There is a suggestion that the standard emf is defined when all activities for products and reactants are equal to 1, which relates to the Nernst equation.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the role of standard redox potentials and whether both reduction potentials are using the same reference electrode.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between standard emf and calculated emf values, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining regarding the correct application of the equations involved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about standard conditions and the definitions of the variables involved in the equations. The discussion highlights the dependence on the context of the redox reactions being analyzed.

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If E(cell) = E(cathode)-E(anode)

and

E(cell) = (RT/nF)ln K

Then shouldn't E(cathode)-E(anode)=(RT/nF)ln k ?

I have a question asking to find the voltage of the cell and I am given a equilibrium constant... which means i should use the second equation with "k" in it, and i get the right answer. But why does this value differ from the first equation's E(cell)?

I hope this explains my question, Thx!
 
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DieCommie said:
If E(cell) = E(cathode)-E(anode)

and

E(cell) = (RT/nF)ln K

Then shouldn't E(cathode)-E(anode)=(RT/nF)ln k ?

I have a question asking to find the voltage of the cell and I am given a equilibrium constant... which means i should use the second equation with "k" in it, and i get the right answer. But why does this value differ from the first equation's E(cell)?

I hope this explains my question, Thx!

i thought E(cell) = E(anode) + E(cathode)
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of electrochemistry, perhaps the most confusing area of analytical chemistry. First off the cell potential can be expressed as:

Ecell =E0red + E0ox

or

Ecell =E0red - E0red

As to Ecell=RT/nF ln(K) This is incorrect. Think about it where are the standard redox potentials ? This is actually part of the nernst equation and used to calculate half cell effective potentials (i.e. concentration dependence).

for:

ox + ne- -> red

E=E0+RT/nF ln(K) ... K=[ox]/[red]

So then:

Ecell=Ered - Eox
 
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DrMark said:
As to Ecell=RT/nF ln(K) This is incorrect. Think about it where are the standard redox potentials ? This is actually part of the nernst equation and used to calculate half cell effective potentials (i.e. concentration dependence).
Hmm... my text explicitly says Ecell0=(RT/nF)(ln k). The description is "Relating the standard emf of the cell to the equilibrium constant". This is why i thought it should equal the emf calculated from Ered+Eox. Where are the standard redox potentials? I don't know...seems like they should be there. I suppose i understand less than i thought :confused: Thanks for trying to help though...
 
DieCommie said:
Hmm... my text explicitly says Ecell0=(RT/nF)(ln k). The description is "Relating the standard emf of the cell to the equilibrium constant". This is why i thought it should equal the emf calculated from Ered+Eox. Where are the standard redox potentials? I don't know...seems like they should be there. I suppose i understand less than i thought :confused: Thanks for trying to help though...

Sorry, some confusion here on my part. What your talking about is the standard emf, that is when all activities for products and reactants are 1. This then leads to E0=RT/nF ln(K) for a give redox reaction. The value of E0red - E0red should give the same result. Edit: Edit: Are both reduction potentials using the same reference electrode.
 
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