Sterling Approximation for Einstein Solid Multiplicity

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The discussion revolves around the application of Stirling's approximation in the context of the multiplicity of an Einstein solid, particularly focusing on the expansion of the expression (q + N) * ln(q + N) under the assumption that q is much greater than N.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the expansion of the logarithmic expression and suggest factoring out the larger term. There are mentions of using logarithmic expansions and considerations of the relationship between q and N.

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Some participants are exploring different interpretations of the variables involved, while others are considering the implications of Stirling's approximation. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification and guidance, with one participant indicating they will seek assistance from a professor.

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There is a mention of the assumption that N represents the number of particles, and the discussion includes scenarios where either q or N is significantly larger than the other. The context involves deriving cases for both q >> N and N >> q.

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How does the following expand;

(q + N )*ln(q +N)

I'm Trying to arrive at sterling approximation for the multiplicity for einstein solid where q>>N. Any tips appreciated.

Thanks
 
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factor out the bigger of the two

[tex]q(1 + \frac{N}{q} \ln q(1 + \frac{N}{q})[/tex]

i gues you could 'expand it using the log expansion
[tex]ln (1+x) = x - \frac{1}{2} x^2 + \frac{1}{3} x^3 - ...[/tex]
 
Thanks,

I'm going to have to see my prof. on this one. I'll let you know how it works out if you'd like.
 
I guess N stands for the number of particles (phonons), so it should be the "bigger" one. I also think that Stirling's approximation involves factorials.


Daniel.
 
For my next exercise I'm to derive the case where N >> q. In these simple idealized cases of 2 solids interacting. So big q is high temp case- I think.
I've already used the sterling approximation to get the factorials out of the equation and now I'm just hashing it into best form.

many thanks.
 

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