Hydrogen Fuel Cells: Ups Backup Source Experience

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the use of hydrogen fuel cells as backup power sources for uninterruptible power supplies (UPSs). Participants explore various aspects including installation requirements, operational characteristics, and comparisons with other power sources.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about hands-on experience with hydrogen fuel cells in UPS applications.
  • Another participant offers general knowledge about fuel cells but seeks specific questions related to their use in UPSs.
  • Questions are raised regarding fire codes applicable to hydrogen fuel cell installations in the US.
  • Concerns are expressed about the longevity of fuel cells and whether they can fail under certain conditions.
  • Participants discuss the heat load generated by fuel cells, noting their efficiency is around 50-60%.
  • It is mentioned that the primary product of the chemical reaction in fuel cells is pure water, but hydrogen leakage is a concern, necessitating ventilation and hydrogen sensors.
  • Pros and cons of fuel cells are outlined, with efficiency noted as a positive and the danger of reactants, cost, and complexity as negatives.
  • A comparison is made between wet cells (traditional batteries) and fuel cells, with a brief explanation of their differences.
  • Maintenance requirements for fuel cells are discussed, suggesting ideally none, but acknowledging that supporting apparatus may require upkeep.
  • Temperature operating ranges for fuel cells are mentioned, with most functioning around 90 degrees Celsius, and the effect of temperature on discharge is noted as complex and design-dependent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the operational characteristics and requirements of hydrogen fuel cells, with no clear consensus reached on specific questions such as fire codes or maintenance needs.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the type of fuel cells being discussed (proton-exchange membrane cells) are made, and the complexity of temperature effects on discharge is acknowledged without resolution.

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Does anyone have any hands on expierence with Hydrogen fuel cells used as the backup source on UPSs.
 
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I have plenty of experience with fuel cells, but not particularly as a backup for a UPS. Do you have a specific question?

- Warren
 
Are there specific fire codes that have to be met for a US installation?
Do the fuel cells go bad?
What Kind of heat load do they generate?
What is the product of the chemical reaction, and do the cells have to be placed in a well ventilated area?
What is your experience and what are the pos and neg of fuel cells?
How do Wet Cells and Fuel cells compare to each other?
What maintenance do the fuel cells require?
What temperature range do they need to kept in.
How does temperature effect their discharge or does it?

I read a interesting article about a large UPS manufacturer and a fuel cell manufacturer collaborating to use fuel cell technology for rack mounted ups's.

Jason
 
jtweedie@atdesk.com said:
Are there specific fire codes that have to be met for a US installation?
I don't know, I'm not a civil engineer.
Do the fuel cells go bad?
I'll assume we're discussing only proton-exchange membrance cells from now on. Yes, they can go bad, if the membrane is allowed to dry out, or if liquid water is injected into the cell.
What Kind of heat load do they generate?
Fuel cells are roughly 50-60% efficient.
What is the product of the chemical reaction, and do the cells have to be placed in a well ventilated area?
The only chemicals produced are pure water. On the other hand, some hydrogen can sneak out even from recirculating setups, so yes, you need hydrogen sensors and a good ventilation system.
What is your experience and what are the pos and neg of fuel cells?
Pro: efficiency.
Cons: dangerous reactants, cost, complexity of apparatus.
How do Wet Cells and Fuel cells compare to each other?
A wet cell is an ordinary Energizer battery. I don't think I really need to describe the difference.
What maintenance do the fuel cells require?
Ideally, none. In reality, it's probably the supporting apparatus that will need the most maintenance.
What temperature range do they need to kept in.
Most cells operate at about the 90 degree celsius mark.
How does temperature effect their discharge or does it?
That's a complex question; the effect depends quite a bit on the geometry and design.

- Warren
 

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