(NPN) Transistor


by uzair_ha91
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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
In circuit (figure), there is negligible potential drop between B and E, where β (current gain) is 100, calculate
(i) base current (ii) collector current (iii) potential drop across Rc (iv) Vce
(Ans: 11.25 ľA, 1.125 mA, 1.125 V, 7.875 V)


2. Relevant equations

In this case, [tex]\beta[/tex]=Ic/IB and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law.

3. The attempt at a solution

Applying KVL to this circuit,
Vcc= IBRB + VCE + ICRC
9= (100,000)IB + VCE + (1000)Ic
Because IB= Ic/[tex]\beta[/tex]
Therefore: 9= 1000.Ic + 1000.Ic + VCE
9-2000.Ic=VCE
---------------------------------------This is where I get stuck..Am I doing this right?
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
In circuit (figure), there is negligible potential drop between B and E, where β (current gain) is 100, calculate
(i) base current (ii) collector current (iii) potential drop across Rc (iv) Vce
(Ans: 11.25 ľA, 1.125 mA, 1.125 V, 7.875 V)


2. Relevant equations

In this case, [tex]\beta[/tex]=Ic/IB and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law.

3. The attempt at a solution

Applying KVL to this circuit,
Vcc= IBRB + VCE + ICRC
9= (100,000)IB + VCE + (1000)Ic
Because IB= Ic/[tex]\beta[/tex]
Therefore: 9= 1000.Ic + 1000.Ic + VCE
9-2000.Ic=VCE
---------------------------------------This is where I get stuck..Am I doing this right?
That doesn't look right in the first equation. You should have two equations -- one for the base circuit, and one for the collector circuit.
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Before going any further, can you explain how you got this?

Vcc= IBRB + VCE + ICRC

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Sep15-09, 01:54 PM
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Quote Quote by skeptic2 View Post
Before going any further, can you explain how you got this?

Vcc= IBRB + VCE + ICRC
By applying KVL... (did I do it wrong?)

Quote Quote by berkeman View Post
That doesn't look right in the first equation. You should have two equations -- one for the base circuit, and one for the collector circuit.
You mean I should take two loops of currents? Can you elaborate please?
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Sep15-09, 01:55 PM
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I don't know why this problem assumes that Vbe is negligible, it's never negligible in a real transistor.

Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
Vcc= IBRB + VCE + ICRC
What is IBRB is equal to? (assuming Vbe is ground)
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What is IBRB is equal to? (assuming Vbe is ground)
Hmm, so what you are trying to say is that if we neglect Vbe, IBRB=0......, that doesn't make sense.
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
You mean I should take two loops of currents? Can you elaborate please?
What do you think about this?
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
By applying KVL... (did I do it wrong?)



You mean I should take two loops of currents? Can you elaborate please?
I don't think KVL is the best thing to use in this situation. Since Vbe is essentially 0, you have a path from Vcc to Gnd through Rb. Can you calculate the current through Rb? That current is your Ib. Can you take it from there?
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
Hmm, so what you are trying to say is that if we neglect Vbe, IBRB=0......, that doesn't make sense.
What's the voltage difference between Vcc and Vbe? (assume Vbe is zero, as asked by the problem).

Knowing that, can you find Ib using ohm's law?
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Sep15-09, 02:23 PM
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By applying ohm's law,
V=IR
or Ib= Vcc/Rb = 9*10^-5 A
But the answer given at the back of my book is = 11.25 ľA
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
By applying ohm's law,
V=IR
or Ib= Vcc/Rb = 9*10^-5 A
But the answer given at the back of my book is = 11.25 ľA
The book is correct......

What's the value of Vcc, and Rb?
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
By applying ohm's law,
V=IR
or Ib= Vcc/Rb = 9*10^-5 A
But the answer given at the back of my book is = 11.25 ľA
Try using a value for Rb of 800k.
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Sep15-09, 02:59 PM
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oh yeah sorry... Ib=V/R = 9/800,000 = 11.25 ľA........
Ic= Ib*beta= 1.125 mA
Vc=Ic*Rc= 1.125V
These were easy...thanks.
Vce=? (What about this one?)
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Sep15-09, 03:17 PM
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Quote Quote by uzair_ha91 View Post
oh yeah sorry... Ib=V/R = 9/800,000 = 11.25 ľA........
Ic= Ib*beta= 1.125 mA
Vc=Ic*Rc= 1.125V
These were easy...thanks.
Vce=? (What about this one?)
If Vcc = 9V
and IcRc = 1.125V,

what does Vce have to be?
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Sep15-09, 03:23 PM
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Vcc= -Vce - IcRc ( So we do get to apply KVL after all )
Vce= Vcc-IcRc
= 9-1.125
=7.875 V
Again, thanks for all the help.


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