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Old Nov5-09, 02:05 AM                  #33
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what he is proposing to do is perfectly OK and we should suggest names to him and tell him to "go for it".
If someone were to come to you and say, "I'm broke. I need advice on how to play the lottery", it's simply not responsible to answer the question without also pointing out that this is not a sound fiscal strategy.

Bob for Short's institution has a theory group. That set of people are in a position to write letters that will be taken far more seriously than some stranger's.
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Old Nov5-09, 02:13 AM                  #34
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Originally Posted by Bob_for_short View Post
Do you read scientific articles of your mates solely?
No, but we weren't talking about scientific articles. We were talking about letters of recommendation. And we weren't talking about whether the writer of the letter is known to the reader of the letter - we were talking about whether the subject of the letter is known to the writer of the letter.

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I am an experienced researcher who have already solved lots of difficult problems and who has his own, original vision (proposal) of how we can reformulate out theories without conceptual and mathematical difficulties.
Yes, we know. You try and work your theory in to every thread you can.
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Old Nov5-09, 05:43 AM                  #35
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I think there is a confusion here between two concepts:

Recommendation letter

versus

Letter of support

It is perfectly fine to get letters of support from someone that do not know you or your work closely, but have read your project/idea and thinks it has merit for financial or other support.

Concerning the first one, it is absolutely imperative that the person knows the candidate from having worked with him/her for a long period and closely. So, yes, a complete stranger asking for a recommendation letter may be seen very, very negatively and it is embarrassing.

But suppose for a moment that a very "important" researcher accepts to write a recommendation letter to someone he doesn't know. There are only 2 options:

- He/she will lie about the candidate (something very unlikely, sp. from an "authority")
- He/she will be honest that he does not know the candidate -- and therefore it will be a poor rec. letter (even if the project seems very good -- but again this appears not to be important for the job in question)

So you see that is why such a thing is not of usual practice.

Also, I think Marcus is making a confusion here. I think every one is entitled to fight for their ideas and independent research, but there are right and wrong ways to do it. My considerations above are meant to offer him a positive advice.

As a last word, I think it is perfectly fine if he collects letters of support to his project from "important" researchers, if he can, and attach them to the recommendation letters from people that have professionally worked with him. This could make him a good candidate for the job.
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Old Nov5-09, 07:55 AM       Last edited by Bob_for_short; Nov5-09 at 08:33 AM..            #36
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Originally Posted by ccdantas View Post
I think there is a confusion here between two concepts:

Recommendation letter

versus

Letter of support

It is perfectly fine to get letters of support from someone that do not know you or your work closely, but have read your project/idea and thinks it has merit for financial or other support.
Yes, thank you, C.C. Dantas, for this clarification. Indeed, I have good letters of recommendations from people with whom I work, but here in France I currently work in another field. So what I seek is a word of support of my independent research program. I implied exactly this.
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Old Nov5-09, 08:22 AM                  #37
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Bob, email Garrett Lisi. He is the best guy in the world to give you advices.
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Old Nov5-09, 09:28 AM       Last edited by Bob_for_short; Nov5-09 at 12:12 PM..            #38
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Thanks, MTd2, I know everything about Garrett. I am looking for something different - I've got to win a competition.
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