Have we changed the time limit for edits again?


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Dec5-11, 05:03 PM
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My suggestions, take a moment and proof read before you submit. I usually do a "preview post" because I find it easier to see errors in forum view than in editor view.
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For my longer post, the standard is more like 15-20 previews and 2-5 edits.

However, I don't mind having the edit feature disabled in the homework forum. I seldom see the need to write really long posts there. Since we're providing hints rather than complete solutions, posts tend to get a lot shorter. For the same reason, I rarely have a reason to link to the same post in the homework forum many times, so it doesn't really matter if a post could use some improvements.
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Quote Quote by Fredrik View Post
For my longer post, the standard is more like 15-20 previews and 2-5 edits.

However, I don't mind having the edit feature disabled in the homework forum. I seldom see the need to write really long posts there. Since we're providing hints rather than complete solutions, posts tend to get a lot shorter. For the same reason, I rarely have a reason to link to the same post in the homework forum many times, so it doesn't really matter if a post could use some improvements.
Can you see the edit button on your posts in Homework?
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I can understand the need to have a short edit time for revisions. But even after the revision time it would be nice to have a feature where you could indicate that you had made a mistake. When I make a mistake that is corrected a day or two later in the conversation I am always concerned that the original mistaken post will be taken out of context. For me a short time window to change existing text would be OK, but to be able to add a comment much later would be helpful.
There's always the Report button. Just ask a Mentor to make the correction. You could also ask that a strike-through be used to indicate the part that has been changed, if you like.
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Quote Quote by Evo View Post
My suggestions, take a moment and proof read before you submit. I usually do a "preview post" because I find it easier to see errors in forum view than in editor view.
I don't know if it's only me or I am doing something wrong but this has become a pain since whoever loused up the site a few days ago!

It throws me out of the site continually; there is a button called 'remember me' but it doesn't always remember very well. To write a post with chemical or math formulae in particular means extensive previewing, more than once I have lost careful work of thinking, writing and tedious tex after being thrown out and was not best pleased thereat.

I don't know what problem the changes were invented to solve but if it was worse than the one I now have it was bad.
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Quote Quote by Ryan_m_b View Post
We're trying out settings that disable editing in the Homework forums.
I really don't like that. Even after proofreading and previewing, I frequently end up wanting to edit a post to add something, to fix an error I didn't catch, or to simply delete it because someone else (usually Mark44) posted the exact same info while I was writing my post. I'd prefer a short window, perhaps 10 minutes or so, where we can fix or delete posts in the homework forums. Is this possible or is the time a site-wide setting?
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I just posted in the homework forum and can't edit a post. Probably said too much, not even sure it's correct, and may have stepped on toes. Need to change it. I use the edit button all the time and late too.
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Quote Quote by vela View Post
I really don't like that. Even after proofreading and previewing, I frequently end up wanting to edit a post to add something, to fix an error I didn't catch, or to simply delete it because someone else (usually Mark44) posted the exact same info while I was writing my post. I'd prefer a short window, perhaps 10 minutes or so, where we can fix or delete posts in the homework forums. Is this possible or is the time a site-wide setting?
It is not possible.

HH/SA should be able to edit. Try again and let me know.
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Vela, I too think a short window for 10-15 minutes would be the optimal solution. I mean, c'mon, new, unnecessary posts or PMs, dashed lines on text...

EDIT: I can edit this post Yes, Greg, the button is there AGAIN.
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Quote Quote by dextercioby View Post
EDIT: I can edit this post Yes, Greg, the button is there AGAIN.
Only the homework forums should be affected. Outside the homework forums the 700 minute window is back open.
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Quote Quote by Greg Bernhardt View Post
It is not possible.

HH/SA should be able to edit. Try again and let me know.
Yup, the edit button is back for me in the HH forum. Thanks!
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I don't know if it's only me or I am doing something wrong but this has become a pain since whoever loused up the site a few days ago!

It throws me out of the site continually; there is a button called 'remember me' but it doesn't always remember very well. To write a post with chemical or math formulae in particular means extensive previewing, more than once I have lost careful work of thinking, writing and tedious tex after being thrown out and was not best pleased thereat.

I don't know what problem the changes were invented to solve but if it was worse than the one I now have it was bad.
It was a forum upgrade that had to be done. You shouldn't still be having problems, did you log off, clear your cookies and restart? That apparently fixed the problem for the users whose browsers didn't automatically take the upgrade.

Here's a {{{hug}}} hoping it fixes for you.
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Dec5-11, 08:17 PM
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If we could get everyone that helps in the homework forums to quote the student's posts when they reply, instead of just replying, we wouldn't have a problem.
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Also just had to repost a correction immediately after posting in HW.

That should be the LAST forum to have this limitation. When showing work, we usually need to use a lot of math markup. It's only natural that we screw up on it from time to time/every time.
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Also just had to repost a correction immediately after posting in HW.

That should be the LAST forum to have this limitation. When showing work, we usually need to use a lot of math markup. It's only natural that we screw up on it from time to time/every time.
Unfortunately students are getting help then deleting their posts, and it's becoming more frequent.

If we can get the helpers to quote the OP, we wouldn't have this problem.

I've posted requests for people to please hit the quote button when they reply, but they don't. Do you have any ideas on how we can get people to start using the quote button in homework help? Perhaps this will get peoples attention. Hitting quote is no harder than hitting reply. It is preferable that quote is used anyway.
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Quote Quote by Evo View Post
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Do you have any ideas on how we can get people to start using the quote button in homework help?
Have the first reply in the thread automatically quote the OP no matter what the helper has chosen to do. Is there a way to make the "New Reply" button check to see if it's the first response in a thread?
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What about an "edit log" that a mod could use to revert it to a previous edit?

I'm sure such mods for vbulletin exist.

You could force someone to use the quote button by hiding the reply button in the HW board (if statement in template) but you couldn't stop anyone from just removing the quoted post in the text box.
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Quote Quote by 1MileCrash View Post
You could force someone to use the quote button by hiding the reply button in the HW board (if statement in template) but you couldn't stop anyone from just removing the quoted post in the text box.
Or we could simply direct the first reply to the quote function. Interesting idea. I may investigate that.


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