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#487
Feb112, 03:56 AM

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Let me just note that I have sent an email to the authors with a content similar to the above, but they have not mentioned me in the Acknowledgements of the new paper. (In fact, they don't have Acknowledgements at all.)



#488
Feb112, 12:15 PM

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Just in case anybody is interested, here's that exchange from Demystefier’s posts 123 + 124:



#489
Feb512, 07:51 PM

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Here's another post from Leifer talking about this more recent paper:



#490
Feb2612, 08:56 PM

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Another interesting paper by Leifer posted on his site and a newsletter but gives a bit more detail on the implications of PBR:
http://www.aps.org/units/gqi/newslet...d/vol6num3.pdf Quantum Times Article on the PBR Theorem http://mattleifer.info/2012/02/26/qu...epbrtheorem/ 


#491
Feb2612, 10:04 PM

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Anyone know if the PBR paper has been published, or at least accepted for publication yet?



#492
Feb2712, 03:02 AM

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#493
Mar1212, 09:26 PM

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Two more papers on this theorem. The first paper is difficult to understand. I don't understand what the author is trying to say.
Can quantum mechanics be considered as statistical? An analysis of the PBR theorem http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1203.2475.pdf Alternative Experimental Protocol for a PBRLike Result http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1202.6465.pdf 


#494
Mar1312, 02:34 AM

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http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1201.6554 See also posts #485  #488. 


#495
Mar1312, 03:34 AM

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#496
Mar1612, 08:31 PM

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The author of the last paper on PBR http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1203.2475.pdf posted in Leifer's blog and Leifer doesn't seem to agree with his take on it:
http://mattleifer.info/2012/02/26/qu.../#comment2618 


#497
Mar2212, 05:30 AM

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Another new paper on it:
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1203.4779 


#498
Mar2212, 08:06 PM

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I thought I'd post these PBRrelated papers here for reference:
Physics papers: The quantum state cannot be interpreted statistically (original PBR paper) http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1111.3328 Generalisations of the recent PuseyBarrettRudolph theorem for statistical models of quantum phenomena http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1111.6304 Completeness of quantum theory implies that wave functions are physical properties http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...111.6597v1.pdf The quantum state should be interpreted statistically http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1112.2446.pdf Alternative Experimental Protocol for a PBRLike Result http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1202.6465.pdf The quantum state can be interpreted statistically http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1201.6554.pdf Can quantum mechanics be considered as statistical? an analysis of the PBR theorem http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1203.2475.pdf On a recent quantum nogo theorem http://lanl.arxiv.org/pdf/1203.4779.pdf Popular: Quantum theorem shakes foundations http://www.nature.com/news/quantumt...dations1.9392 PBR, EPR, and all that jazz http://www.aps.org/units/gqi/newslet...d/vol6num3.pdf The PBR Argument  a simplified presentation http://astairs.posterous.com/thepbr...dpresentation Useful Blogs: Can the quantum state be interpreted statistically? http://mattleifer.info/2011/11/20/ca...statistically/ Quantum Times Article on the PBR Theorem http://mattleifer.info/2012/02/26/qu...epbrtheorem/ Philosophical papers: StatisticalRealism versus WaveRealism in the Foundations of Quantum Mechanics http://philsciarchive.pitt.edu/9021..._Mechanics.pdf 


#500
Mar2412, 01:01 AM

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Thanks for the references/links bohm2. I think that quantum states can be interpreted statistically, ie., that quantum states don't necessarily represent real physical states. But if you think otherwise, then it would be interesting to read your opinion on that.



#501
Apr1612, 03:03 AM

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One related paper (not on the list above) recently published in Physical Review Letters:
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1111.6597 


#502
Apr2712, 02:38 PM

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tag.



#503
May712, 10:25 PM

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On the reality of the quantum state http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/...nphys2309.html 


#504
May812, 02:02 AM

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http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1111.3328 v2 Hardy also uploaded a related paper today: Are quantum states real? http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1205.1439 


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