# How to Solve an ODE Problem when one of parameters is dependent to derivative?

by mahdi_zabchek
Tags: differential, matlab, non-linear, ode
 P: 4 Hello Guys! I have an ODE problem that I'm solving it by MATLAB ODE solvers! in fact I have a system of non-linear differential equations in one of these equations I have a parameter that it's value is dependent to derivative! the general form of equation is like this (big letter parameters are known!): dy/dt = A + B + f(C,D,dy/dt) how can I solve this problem by ode45 or other MATLAB ODE solvers?
 HW Helper P: 1,583 Is the function f known?
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 Quote by hunt_mat Is the function f known?
yes! it is.
but it's not reversible

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How to Solve an ODE Problem when one of parameters is dependent to derivative?

 Quote by mahdi_zabchek Hello Guys! I have an ODE problem that I'm solving it by MATLAB ODE solvers! in fact I have a system of non-linear differential equations in one of these equations I have a parameter that it's value is dependent to derivative! the general form of equation is like this (big letter parameters are known!): dy/dt = A + B + f(C,D,dy/dt) how can I solve this problem by ode45 or other MATLAB ODE solvers?
The ODE : dy/dt = A + B + f(C,D,dy/dt) contains no y and no t. As a consequence dy/dt = constant.
Let X= dy/dt . X is solution of the equation X = A + B + f(C, D, X) wich is not an ODE.
It doesn't matter if the function is not revertsible. We don't need to know the analytical expression of the solution(s) X. We know that dy/dt = constant (or = several different constants if there are several solutions). Each one can be numerically computed, not using an ODE solver, but using an usual numerical equation solver.
The solution(s) is (are) : y(t) = X*t +c
c is a constant to be determined by the boundary condition.
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 Quote by JJacquelin The ODE : dy/dt = A + B + f(C,D,dy/dt) contains no y and no t. As a consequence dy/dt = constant. Let X= dy/dt . X is solution of the equation X = A + B + f(C, D, X) wich is not an ODE. It doesn't matter if the function is not revertsible. We don't need to know the analytical expression of the solution(s) X. We know that dy/dt = constant (or = several different constants if there are several solutions). Each one can be numerically computed, not using an ODE solver, but using an usual numerical equation solver. The solution(s) is (are) : y(t) = X*t +c c is a constant to be determined by the boundary condition.
No! No! it has y and t!
A and B and C and D are NOT constant parameters!
I did't write them because they were not necessary!
in fact You don't need to know what's the equation exactly to answer my question!

My question is simple:

MATLAB ODE solvers solve equations in form of dy/dt=f(t,y) but I want to solve an equation in form of dy/dt=f(t,y,dy/dt) ... How I can do that by MATLAB?
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 Quote by mahdi_zabchek No! No! it has y and t! A and B and C and D are NOT constant parameters! I did't write them because they were not necessary! in fact You don't need to know what's the equation exactly to answer my question! My question is simple: MATLAB ODE solvers solve equations in form of dy/dt=f(t,y) but I want to solve an equation in form of dy/dt=f(t,y,dy/dt) ... How I can do that by MATLAB?
OK. Sorry for the missunderstanding.
May be, you could use an algorithm of this kind: