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Confusion about derivative operators

 
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Aug10-12, 05:04 AM   #18
 
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Confusion about derivative operators


Quote by Loro View Post
Dirac actually says in the book that:

[itex] \hat{\partial_q} |\psi> = 0 [/itex]

Where [itex] |\psi> [/itex] is the standard ket.
Where does Dirac say that? If you're looking at his eq(11) on p89, what he
actually writes is
$$
\frac{d}{dq} \psi \rangle ~=~ \frac{d\psi}{dq} \,\rangle
$$
Note that absence of the ``##|##''. Dirac is using his own notation, but the
versions of that notation presented by more modern authors are different.

I checked a few other things in his book, including other parts of his notation.
IMHO, once one understands Dirac's notation properly, nothing is wrong.

@Tom: exactly what part of Dirac's explanation do you think is wrong??
Aug10-12, 05:15 AM   #19
 
Where does Dirac say that?
I'm looking at eqn (12) on page 89, or (23) on page 91. I didn't really get why that is. Maybe it's as tom.stoer described?

And my main problem is actually with (46) on page 94 - that there isn't a minus there, as it would follow from sloppy calculations. This is mind-boggling to me!
Aug10-12, 12:19 PM   #20
 
Coming back to eqn 46 - I've just understood it. I thought there was a contradiction. Thanks everyone for giving me an impulse for thinking about all this more carefully.

I would still love to hear replies about [itex] \hat{\partial_q} |\psi> [/itex] though. It's very interesting, and thought-provoking.
Aug10-12, 03:27 PM   #21
 
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Quote by strangerep View Post
@Tom: exactly what part of Dirac's explanation do you think is wrong??
I think acting with derivative operators on kets does not make sense (but I have to check Dirac's book; up to now I only see what is written here in this thread; and this seems to be strange)
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