Basic question on meaning of momentum operator

In summary, the momentum operator can be written in the position basis as: ##{ }^{[2]}##where ##\nabla## is the gradient operator, ##\hbar## is the reduced Planck constant, and ##i## is the imaginary unit. This means that the operator ##\mathrm{i} \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \delta \vec{a}/\hbar## should give the change of a wave function under infinitesimal translations in space by ##\delta \vec{a}##.
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How do we apply the momentum operator on a wavefunction?

Wikipedia says
> the momentum operator can be written in the position basis as: ##{ }^{[2]}##
##
\hat{\mathbf{p}}=-i \hbar \nabla
##
where ##\nabla## is the gradient operator, ##\hbar## is the reduced Planck constant, and ##i## is the imaginary unit.
Does this mean that ##\hat{P} \psi=-i \hbar \nabla \psi=-i \hbar\left(\hat{i} \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \psi+\hat{\jmath} \frac{\partial}{\partial y} \psi+\hat{k} \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \psi\right)~?##

I'm not sure this is correct

Can anyone please help me
 
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That is the correct definition of ##\nabla##.
 
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The meaning of that operator is that its eigenvalues are the observed values of (the components of) momentum. Likewise, the eigenvectors (eigenfunctions) represent the modes of the system defined with those specified values.
 
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Kashmir said:
I'm not sure this is correct
It's correct. An easy way to verify that is to apply it to a wave function that you know is an eigenfunction of momentum and see what you get.
 
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It's correct. The question rather is, why this is so.

The answer is Noether's theorem, applied to analytical point-particle mechanics. It says that if there is a symmetry there is also a conserved quantity. The most obvious symmetries are related to the model of space and time. Here we use the Newtonian spacetime model, and one symmetry is translation symmetry, which says that the physics is the same everywhere, i.e., if you take an experiment from one place to an arbitrary other place you will get the same results. The corresponding analysis in classical analytical mechanics shows that the conserved quantity due to this spatial translation invariance is momentum, and thus the momentum operator should "generate translations". That means the operator ##\mathrm{i} \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \delta \vec{a}/\hbar## should give the change of a wave function under infinitesimal translations in space by ##\delta \vec{a}##, i.e.,
$$\psi(\vec{x}+\mathrm{\delta} \vec{a})=\psi(\vec{x})+\delta \vec{a} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \psi(\vec{x}) \stackrel{\text{def}}{=} \psi(\vec{x})+\mathrm{i} \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \delta \vec{a}/\hbar \psi(\vec{x}),$$
from which you read off
$$\vec{\nabla} = \mathrm{i}/\hbar \hat{\vec{p}} \; \Rightarrow \; \hat{\vec{p}} = -\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}.$$
 
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I found this expression in my book ##\langle\mathbf{r}|\hat{\mathbf{p}}| \psi\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{i} \nabla\langle\mathbf{r} \mid \psi\rangle##

The lhs is a scalar because its a bra ket and the rhs then is a vector.

[This post has been lightly edited by the mentors to fix the latex]
 
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Kashmir said:
The lhs is a scalar because its a bra ket and the rhs then is a vector.
No, it isn't, it's actually a vector because the operator in the middle of the bra ket is a vector operator. In other words, this equation is actually shorthand for three equations, for the three corresponding components of the operator ##\hat{\mathbf{p}}## and the operator ##\nabla##.
 
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No, it isn't, it's actually a vector because the operator in the middle of the bra ket is a vector operator. In other words, this equation is actually shorthand for three equations, for the three corresponding components of the operator ##\hat{\mathbf{p}}## and the operator ##\nabla##.
I've studied that if an operator acts on a ket it gives a ket. So when the p operator acts on a ket it'll give a ket then that ket is acted by a bra giving a scalar on the lhs
 
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Kashmir said:
I've studied that if an operator acts on a ket it gives a ket.
When a scalar operator acts on a ket it gives a ket. But a vector operator can't operate directly on a ket; an equation in which a vector operator operates on a ket is actually, as I said, shorthand for three equations, one for each component of the vector operator. Each component is a scalar, so in each of the three equations we have a scalar operating on a ket to give a ket, which then gets contracted with a bra to get a scalar (and on the RHS we have one component of the ##\nabla## operator, i.e., an ordinary derivative operator, operating on a scalar to give a scalar).
 
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PeterDonis said:
When a scalar operator acts on a ket it gives a ket. But a vector operator can't operate directly on a ket; an equation in which a vector operator operates on a ket is actually, as I said, shorthand for three equations, one for each component of the vector operator. Each component is a scalar, so in each of the three equations we have a scalar operating on a ket to give a ket, which then gets contracted with a bra to get a scalar (and on the RHS we have one component of the ##\nabla## operator, i.e., an ordinary derivative operator, operating on a scalar to give a scalar).
So ##\langle\mathbf{r}|\hat{\mathbf{p}}| \psi\rangle## is the abbreviation for

##e_{x}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{y}\left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{z}\left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right\rangle##
##=-i \hbar\left[e_{x} \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle r \mid \psi\rangle+e_{y} \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\langle r \mid \psi\rangle+e_{z} \frac{\partial\langle r \mid \psi\rangle}{\partial z}\right]## ?
 
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Kashmir said:
So ##\langle\mathbf{r}|\hat{\mathbf{p}}| \psi\rangle## is the abbreviation for

##e_{x}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{y}\left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{z}\left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right\rangle##
##=-i \hbar\left[e_{x} \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle r \mid \psi\rangle+e_{y} \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\langle r \mid \psi\rangle+e_{z} \frac{\partial\langle r \mid \psi\rangle}{\partial z}\right]## ?
Yes.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Yes.
Thankyou so much :)
 
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vanhees71 said:
It's correct. The question rather is, why this is so.

The answer is Noether's theorem, applied to analytical point-particle mechanics. It says that if there is a symmetry there is also a conserved quantity. The most obvious symmetries are related to the model of space and time. Here we use the Newtonian spacetime model, and one symmetry is translation symmetry, which says that the physics is the same everywhere, i.e., if you take an experiment from one place to an arbitrary other place you will get the same results. The corresponding analysis in classical analytical mechanics shows that the conserved quantity due to this spatial translation invariance is momentum, and thus the momentum operator should "generate translations". That means the operator ##\mathrm{i} \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \delta \vec{a}/\hbar## should give the change of a wave function under infinitesimal translations in space by ##\delta \vec{a}##, i.e.,
$$\psi(\vec{x}+\mathrm{\delta} \vec{a})=\psi(\vec{x})+\delta \vec{a} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \psi(\vec{x}) \stackrel{\text{def}}{=} \psi(\vec{x})+\mathrm{i} \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \delta \vec{a}/\hbar \psi(\vec{x}),$$
from which you read off
$$\vec{\nabla} = \mathrm{i}/\hbar \hat{\vec{p}} \; \Rightarrow \; \hat{\vec{p}} = -\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}.$$
This is a little bit above my level right now. I'll come to it after some time. Thank you :)
 
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I understood using a translation operator ##\hat{T}(\alpha)=e^{-i \alpha \hat{p_x} / \hbar}## how

##\left\langle x\left|\hat{p}_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle=-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle x \mid \psi\rangle## and similarly for ##p_y## and ##p_z##.

What I don't understand Is the below equation, Is it correct? How can I derive it from the first?

##\left\langle\mathbf{r}\left|\hat{p}_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle \stackrel{?}{=}-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle\mathbf{r} \mid \psi\rangle##
 
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Kashmir said:
I found this expression in my book ##\langle\mathbf{r}|\hat{\mathbf{p}}| \psi\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{i} \nabla\langle\mathbf{r} \mid \psi\rangle##

The lhs is a scalar because its a bra ket and the rhs then is a vector.

[This post has been lightly edited by the mentors to fix the latex]
I guess the confusion is because of the use of bold-face symbols for vectors. I prefer the notation ##\hat{\vec{p}}## to stress that we consider the three operators ##\hat{p}_1##, ##\hat{p}_2##, and ##\hat{p}_3## as a operator-valued three-component column vector. These denote the abstract representation independent self-adjoint operators acting on kets.

In a slight abuse of notation one uses the same symbol for the operator acting on wave functions, ##\psi(\vec{x})=\langle \vec{x}|\psi \rangle##, i.e., one writes
$$\hat{\vec{p}} \psi(\vec{x}) \stackrel{\text{def}}{=} \langle \vec{x}|\hat{p}|\psi \rangle = -\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla} \psi(\vec{x}).$$
On the left-hand side it's an operator acting on position-space wave functions, in the middle it's an abstract representation-independent operator acting to the right on ##|\psi \rangle##. The last equality follows from the derivation above, using the meaning of the momentum operators as generators of translations in space.
 
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I understood using a translation operator ##\hat{T}(\alpha)=e^{-i \alpha \hat{p_x} / \hbar}## how

##\left\langle x\left|\hat{p}_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle=-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle x \mid \psi\rangle## and similarly for ##p_y## and ##p_z##.

What I don't understand Is the below equation, Is it correct? How can I derive it from the first?

##\left\langle\mathbf{r}\left|\hat{p}_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle \stackrel{?}{=}-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle\mathbf{r} \mid \psi\rangle##
Yes, it's correct, and the notation with the gradient/nabla operator comes from the definition
$$\hat{\vec{p}}=\begin{pmatrix} \hat{p}_x \\ \hat{p}_y \\ \hat{p}_z \end{pmatrix}=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \begin{pmatrix}\partial_x \\ \partial_y \\ \partial_z \end{pmatrix} = -\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}.$$
 
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Yes, it's correct, and the notation with the gradient/nabla operator comes from the definition
$$\hat{\vec{p}}=\begin{pmatrix} \hat{p}_x \\ \hat{p}_y \\ \hat{p}_z \end{pmatrix}=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \begin{pmatrix}\partial_x \\ \partial_y \\ \partial_z \end{pmatrix} = -\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}.$$

Thank you so much.

Can you please tell me how does ##\left\langle\mathbf{r}\left|\hat{p}_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle \stackrel{?}{=}-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle\mathbf{r} \mid \psi\rangle##
follow from
##\left\langle x\left|\hat{p}_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle=-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle x \mid \psi\rangle## ?
 
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It's, because formally ##|\vec{r} \rangle \equiv |x,y,z \rangle=|x \rangle \otimes |y \rangle \otimes |z \rangle##.
 
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It is important to understand we're in two distinct spaces with distinct meanings. There's physical 3-dimensional space and the Hilbert space of wave functions represented by the "ket"s... (and also there's the dual space of "bra"s). I think it would be best to begin working in one (spatial) dimension while trying to understand the deBroglie relation ## \hat{p} = -i\hbar \frac{d}{dx}## and then when that's soundly understood, the 3-dimensional and 3+1 dimensional generalizations are no problem.

It is also, I believe, useful to think about the linear algebraic "What's going on" as one tries to understand the "why". What we have here is a Lie group of system transformations (not necessarily symmetries) which include translations of position and translations of momentum, and also one might add spatial rotations. These are all things that can happen to a particle as it evolves over time. Associated with that group is its Lie algebra of generators. The exponential map relates them via ##g(t) = \exp(t\Gamma)##.

Finally, there is a representation of this group and its Lie algebra that defines our system. Classical systems are represented by points in phase space (or more generally, allowing probabilistic descriptions, a distribution over phase space. The system transformations are expressed as a class of diffeomorphisms (flows) in phase space we call canonical transformations. They are the ones that preserve its symplectic structure. So in that representation, the classical correspondent to de Broglie's relation is (double-check my choice of conventions):
[tex] \hat{p}[f(p,x)] = \{f,p\} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{\partial p}{\partial p} - \frac{\partial f}{\partial p}\frac{\partial p}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial}{\partial x} f(p,x)[/tex]
In short, classically ##\hat{p} = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}##, but this is a contextual equality with an implicit "in this representation". Likewise ##\hat{x} = -\frac{\partial }{\partial p}##

Note that from a linear algebraic point of view I could name the phase space variables anything, e.g. ##(a,b)## in which case ##\hat{p}=\frac{\partial}{\partial b}##, and ##\hat{x} = -\frac{\partial}{\partial a}##. We're only talking about a mathematical representation at this point and the associations with the labels come from the physics.

There's a lot more to be said here but this post is already too long. I'll follow up later to address more how the physics dictates the mathematics.
 
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Now I would address the physics we express in the algebraic framework I reference in the prior post.

I personally believe that Noether's work in the form of her theorem is one of the most significant results in the history of mathematical physics. There is more we can infer than the mere theorem itself. Noether formally proved something that was already an observed phenomenon, that associated with every continuous symmetry there was a corresponding conserved quantity. But here is where I believe it goes even further.

Consider that any observable must be repeatedly observable... it thus must be a quantity that is conservable i.e. we can, in principle, within the laboratory, set up the dynamics of a given system so that any given observable quantity is conserved. I thus assert that we can extend Noether's theorem not just to existing symmetries and conserved quantities but, in fact, to any potential symmetries i.e. any continuous system transformation, and to any conservable quantities i.e. any physical observables. While I've not, in my limited reading, seen it expressed this way I think it is implicit in the framework of modern physics.

Thus, and in particular here, we associate with any observable a corresponding generator of a system transformation, ##p \sim \hat{P}##, ##x\sim \hat{X}##, ##\ell_z\sim \hat{L}_z##, etc. The fundamental language of modern physics is that of Lie groups/algebras and their representations. In classical mechanics these are point representations; however, that is only for statistically certain cases. We can easily generalize to (probability) distributions of points in which case the representations become linear representations over a "function" space.

One of the failings of classical mechanics is in the definition of entropy along with the pathologies of the continuum. (Consider for example the Banach-Tarski paradox). In classical mechanics, we can, in principle encode the sum total of all human knowledge into the exact position (or momentum) of one particle. Not only is the information content of a single particle infinite, but it is also transfinite i.e. ##\aleph_1## in size.

But, justifications aside, if we consider an alternative theory, our first-next look might be at finite-dimensional or at worst discrete representations of these fundamental Lie groups/algebras of conservables and their corresponding potential symmetries.

I want to argue that quantum theory is the only alternative but I would avoid such hubris that assumes the alternatives I can't imagine are therefore invalid. Let it suffice to say that quantum theory is one alternative and its structure in this context is of finite or at-the-very-least discrete representations of the corresponding group/algebras. Its form is that the maximally specified systems are projectively represented by elements of some vector space, specifically a Hilbert space where the metric structure relates to Born's probability interpretation. The quantity observed is expressed through the eigen-value principle. We can express those vectors as "wave functions" but, in the immortal words of Monty Python "It's only a model". In the end, and in the most general setting, the system states are linear "co-operators" mapping the observable's corresponding operators (Lie algebra elements) to the expected values of the observables for a given system "state". (That is to say density (co)operators.)

The rest of what I could include here is a long and deep study of quantum theory. I think about trying to summarize but it is just too much to include in a single post, or even a single text or body of work by a single individual. That is the job of you students of quantum theory.

So, bringing it back to the OP, your "why" is a very very deep question and I'm not sure how deep you want to go. But the most terse summary I can give you is: The eigen-value principle, The correspondence principle, and The fundamental structure of representations of Lie Groups/Algebras along with Noether's theorem(with my addendum).
 
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vanhees71 said:
Yes, it's correct, and the notation with the gradient/nabla operator comes from the definition
$$\hat{\vec{p}}=\begin{pmatrix} \hat{p}_x \\ \hat{p}_y \\ \hat{p}_z \end{pmatrix}=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \begin{pmatrix}\partial_x \\ \partial_y \\ \partial_z \end{pmatrix} = -\mathrm{i} \hbar \vec{\nabla}.$$
so is this correct ##\overrightarrow{\hat{p}}|\psi\rangle=\left(\begin{array}{l}P_{x}|\psi\rangle \\ P_{y}|\psi\rangle \\ P_{z}|\psi\rangle\end{array}\right)##
 
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Yes, that's the definition of the operator ##\hat{\vec{p}}##. The ##P_j## are of course also operators, i.e., you should write ##\hat{P}_j## (with ##j \in \{x,y,z \}##).
 
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Kashmir said:
I found this expression in my book ##\langle\mathbf{r}|\hat{\mathbf{p}}| \psi\rangle=\frac{\hbar}{i} \nabla\langle\mathbf{r} \mid \psi\rangle##

The lhs is a scalar because its a bra ket and the rhs then is a vector.
This is essentially the 3D version of the question you posted last month:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/clarification-on-how-bra-ket-works-here.1012106/#post-6597505

There are several ways to work in 3D. Let's take Newton's second law as an example. We have:
$$F_x = ma_x, \ F_y = ma_y, \ F_z = ma_z$$And, you simply work with three separate equations.

This, however, is completely equivalent to using vector notation to express those three equations as one vector equation:$$ \vec F = m \vec a$$Or, in using boldface $$\mathbf F = m \mathbf a$$Or, of course, you could write the components in matrix notation:
$$
\begin{bmatrix}
F_x \\
F_y \\
F_z
\end{bmatrix} =
m
\begin{bmatrix}
a_x \\
a_y \\
a_z
\end{bmatrix}
$$These four formulations are all completely equivalent. In your case, what you have is equivalent to:
$$\langle x|\hat p_x |\psi \rangle = -i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle x|\psi\rangle$$$$\langle y|\hat p_y |\psi \rangle = -i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\langle y|\psi\rangle$$$$\langle z|\hat p_z |\psi \rangle = -i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\langle z|\psi\rangle$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
Yes, that's the definition of the operator ##\hat{\vec{p}}##. The ##P_j## are of course also operators, i.e., you should write ##\hat{P}_j## (with ##j \in \{x,y,z \}##).

So it's also equivalent to write ##\begin{aligned} \hat{p}|\psi\rangle &=e_{x} \hat{p}_{x}|\psi\rangle \\ &+e_{y} \hat{p}_{y}|\psi\rangle \\ &+e_{z} \hat{p}_{z}|\psi\rangle \end{aligned}##

Where ##e_{x}## is the unit vector in x direction.

This expression isn't a sum of kets but a sum of kets with spatial unit vector coeffiencts.

I know that a bra can act on a ket however it's first time I'm seeing a bra acted on such a ket with spatial unit vector coefficients.
So is it that a bra of this expression i.e ##\langle r|\hat{p}| \psi\rangle##
is just defined to mean

##e_{x}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{y}\left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{z}\left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right\rangle##?
 
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PeroK said:
This is essentially the 3D version of the question you posted last month:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/clarification-on-how-bra-ket-works-here.1012106/#post-6597505

There are several ways to work in 3D. Let's take Newton's second law as an example. We have:
$$F_x = ma_x, \ F_y = ma_y, \ F_z = ma_z$$And, you simply work with three separate equations.

This, however, is completely equivalent to using vector notation to express those three equations as one vector equation:$$ \vec F = m \vec a$$Or, in using boldface $$\mathbf F = m \mathbf a$$Or, of course, you could write the components in matrix notation:
$$
\begin{bmatrix}
F_x \\
F_y \\
F_z
\end{bmatrix} =
m
\begin{bmatrix}
a_x \\
a_y \\
a_z
\end{bmatrix}
$$These four formulations are all completely equivalent. In your case, what you have is equivalent to:
$$\langle x|\hat p_x |\psi \rangle = -i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\langle x|\psi\rangle$$$$\langle y|\hat p_y |\psi \rangle = -i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\langle y|\psi\rangle$$$$\langle z|\hat p_z |\psi \rangle = -i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\langle z|\psi\rangle$$
Thank you. But adding a spatial unit vector coefficient to a ket is very new to me. Please see the reply above
 
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Kashmir said:
I know that a bra can act on a ket however it's first time I'm seeing a bra acted on such a ket with spatial unit vector coefficients.
A bra or ket representing position must have three components, right? You may start learning QM with the simpler 1D case, but sooner or later you have to extend the theory to three spatial dimensions. That shouldn't some as a surprise!
 
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It's rather a product. The common eigenvector of the three compatible position-vector components is formally a Kronecker product, ##|x,y,z \rangle=|x \rangle \otimes |y \rangle \otimes |z \rangle##. By definition
$$\hat{\vec{x}} |x,y,z \rangle = \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} |x,y,z \rangle$$
is simply a useful notation. There's nothing problematic with it. I still don't understand, what the problem should be.
 
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Kashmir said:
Thank you. But adding a spatial unit vector coefficient to a ket is very new to me. Please see the reply above
PS as noted in some of the posts above, it's not correct to use Euclidean 3D unit vectors with states/vectors in Hilbert space. The states represent position in 3D space, but are themselves not vectors in Euclidean 3D space.

So, actually, you can't push the analogy I gave in post #23 too far.
 
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PeroK said:
PS as noted in some of the posts above, it's not correct to use Euclidean 3D unit vectors with states/vectors in Hilbert space. The states represent position in 3D space, but are themselves not vectors in Euclidean 3D space.

So, actually, you can't push the analogy I gave in post #23 too far.
That's why I'm having trouble understanding the generalisation to three dimensions.

I know so many people have explained it that I'm ashamed to ask again.

1) First of all, is a spatial unit vector coefficient to a ket a valid thing to write ? i.e ##e_{x}|\psi\rangle##

2)as Mr vanhees explained we can write
##\overrightarrow{\hat{p}}|\psi\rangle=\left(\begin{array}{l}P_{x}|\psi\rangle \\ P_{y}|\psi\rangle \\ P_{z}|\psi\rangle\end{array}\right)##

so can we write it as :##\begin{aligned} \hat{p}|\psi\rangle &=e_{x} \hat{p}_{x}|\psi\rangle \\ &+e_{y} \hat{p}_{y}|\psi\rangle \\ &+e_{z} \hat{p}_{z}|\psi\rangle \end{aligned}##

3) If we can write it as above then can I apply a bra on this expression, if I can then what will happen if I apply a bra ##\langle r## on the above expression?

Is it going to be written as:
##e_{x}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{y}\left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{z}\left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right\rangle## ?
 
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Kashmir said:
Is it going to be written as:
##e_{x}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{y}\left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{z}\left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right\rangle## ?
No, that's wrong. The correct formalism was shown in post #27:

vanhees71 said:
It's rather a product. The common eigenvector of the three compatible position-vector components is formally a Kronecker product, ##|x,y,z \rangle=|x \rangle \otimes |y \rangle \otimes |z \rangle##. By definition
$$\hat{\vec{x}} |x,y,z \rangle = \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} |x,y,z \rangle$$
is simply a useful notation. There's nothing problematic with it. I still don't understand, what the problem should be.
 
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Kashmir said:
Is it going to be written as:
##e_{x}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{y}\left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle+e_{z}\left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right\rangle## ?
Note that in general ##\langle \phi|\hat X |\psi \rangle## is a complex number!
 
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Also ##e_{x}|\psi\rangle## is wrong?
 
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Kashmir said:
Also ##e_{x}|\psi\rangle## is wrong?
You have a unit vector in Euclidean space with a state vector in an abstract Hilbert space. That's not a valid combination.
 
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So the correct expression is ##\langle r|\overrightarrow{\hat{P}}| \psi\rangle=\left(\begin{array}{c}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle \\ \left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle \\ \left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right.\end{array}\right)##
 
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Kashmir said:
So the correct expression is ##\langle r|\overrightarrow{\hat{P}}| \psi\rangle=\left(\begin{array}{c}\left\langle r\left|P_{x}\right| \psi\right\rangle \\ \left\langle r\left|P_{y}\right| \psi\right\rangle \\ \left\langle r\left|P_{z}\right| \psi\right.\end{array}\right)##
There's no single "correct" expression. That's a shorthand for the full "Tensor Product" formalism.
 

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