Finding the Center of Mass of a Uniform Semicircular Disk Using Integration

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass of a uniform semicircular disk using integration techniques. Participants explore various methods of integration, coordinate systems, and the implications of uniform density in the context of the problem.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the equation M\vec{r_{cm}}=\int\vec{rdm} but is uncertain about how to define dm for the semicircular disk.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem is straightforward due to the constant density and suggests integrating along parallel strips of the half-disk.
  • A participant questions whether to divide mass by 2R\sin{\theta} to find dm.
  • One participant recommends using polar or cylindrical coordinates for the integration, detailing the differential area and volume elements.
  • Another participant presents a new problem involving a baseball bat with a varying linear density and seeks guidance on finding the total mass M to calculate x_cm.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of knowing the mass per unit length to find the total mass M.
  • There is a side discussion about the appropriateness of categorizing the thread under "classical physics" versus calculus homework problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solving the center of mass problem, with no consensus reached on the method of integration or the definition of dm. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal strategy for the baseball bat problem as well.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as uniform density and the choice of coordinate systems, but do not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the integration process.

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Show that the center of mass of a uniform semicircular disk of radius R is at a point (4/(3*Pi))R from the center of the circle.

well I know I am suppose to find this by integration. By this equation

[tex]M\vec{r_{cm}}=\int\vec{rdm}[/tex]

But, I am not sure how to find dm in this case...

do I divide mass by area? or by circumference?

and since it's a disk, and it was 2 variables, would I have to integrate for 2 variables? (x and y)?
 
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In general, CM calculations end up being double or triple integrals, but this one is pretty straightforward since the disk has constant density.

I'd be inclined to cut the half-disk into parralel strips and integrate along the CM of each strip.

Since the density is uniform, you might as well assume that it's one.
 
so I divide M by [tex]2R\sin{\theta}[/tex]?
 
Since you are talking about a semicircular disk, I would be inclined to use polar (actually cylindrical coordinates).

The differential of area in polar coordinates is r dr dθ so the differential of volume in cylindrical coordinates is r dr dθ dz.

Taking the density to be ρ(r,θ,z), dm= ρ(r,θz) dr dθ dz.

The mass, for semicircular disk of radius R and thickness h would be M= ∫(z=0 to h)∫(θ=0 to π)∫(r= 0 to R) ρ(r,θ,z)r dr dθ dz.

If ρ is a constant, this is just ρπr2h.

Since x= r cosθ, the formula for the xcm would be Mxcm= ∫(z=0 to h)∫(&theta= 0 to π)∫(r= 0 to R)(r cos θ)(ρ(r,θ,z)r dr dθ dz)=
∫(z=0 to h)∫(&theta= 0 to π)∫(r= 0 to R)(ρ(r,θ,z)r2cosθ dz dθ dz.

Since y= r sinθ, the formula for ycm would be Mycm= ∫(z=0 to h)∫(θ= 0 to π)∫(r= 0 to R)(&rho(r,θ,z)r2sinθ dz dθ dz.

The formula for zcm would be Mzcm= ∫(z=0 to h)∫(θ= 0 to π)∫(r= 0 to R)(&rho(r,θ,z)zr dr dθ dz.

Of course, if ρ is a constant, from symmetry (cosine is an even function) xcm= 0 and zcm= h/2.
 
Ok, I got that one.

Moving on, the next problem is confusing me as well.

A baseball bat of length L has a peculiar linear density (mass per unit length) given by [tex]\lambda=\lambda_0(1+x^2/L^2)[/tex]

so what I've done is
[tex]\int_{0}^{L}x\lambda_0(1+x^2/L^2)dx[/tex]

which gives
[tex]\frac{3\lambda_0L^2}{4}[/tex]

so I know that M * x_cm = that but how do I find M so I can find x_cm?
 
Originally posted by smeagol
...but how do I find M so I can find x_cm?

C'mon. You know the mass per unit length. How can you not know the mass?

[tex]M=\int_0^L\lambda dx[/tex]
 
krab: Watch it now! You're starting to sound like me!
 
By the way, why were these posted under the "classical physics" forum? The look like fairly standard calculus homework problems.
 
well I got it from a "physics for scientists and engineers" from tipler. So I figured it would fit better under physics.
 

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