Making current with van de graff gen.

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of generating electrical current in a circuit using a van de Graaff generator (VDG) as a voltage source. Participants explore the characteristics of current and voltage produced by VDGs, as well as methods to enhance current output.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a van de Graaff generator can create current in a circuit, but it is typically at very low levels.
  • One participant questions why the current is low despite the presence of free electrons in the wire.
  • Another participant explains that the VDG produces high voltage but low current due to limitations in charge accumulation and the physical properties of the generator.
  • It is noted that desktop VDGs can output a maximum of 20 to 50 microamps, which can still yield a few watts at high voltage.
  • A method to increase current output involves using a pelletron instead of a rubber belt, allowing for higher charge accumulation in a vacuum environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that while a van de Graaff generator can produce voltage, the current is limited. However, there are differing views on the mechanisms behind this limitation and potential solutions to enhance current output.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the design of the van de Graaff generator, the effects of natural resistance in wires, and the operational conditions under which the generator is used.

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Couldn't I create a current in a circuit using a van de graff as the source of voltage? Many thanks.
 
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Originally posted by Vosh
Couldn't I create a current in a circuit using a van de graff as the source of voltage? Many thanks.
Yes, but at very low current.
 


Originally posted by russ_watters
Yes, but at very low current.


Why is that? Isn't a wire a veritable sea of free electrons?
 


The van de graph generator itself by nature produces a large quantity of voltage, however the current produced is extreamly small. Ultimately, you would need to feed the acquired power from the v.d.g. through a step down transformer in order to lower the voltage and raise the current. What method of aquiring are you using (thinking about using)?

There's too much natural resistance in wire to permit free electron motion without constant influential drive.
 


Originally posted by Vosh
Why is that? Isn't a wire a veritable sea of free electrons?

The wire isn't the problem.

Inside the VDG there are charges sprayed onto the rubber belt, and the maximum charge per area is limited. (Put too much charge on the belt surface, and a spark will let it flow back off again.)

The speed of the belt is also limited. If you run the motor too fast, the belt starts flapping back and forth.

For little desktop VDG machines, the most you can get out of them is 20 or 50 microamps. But don't forget, at a voltage of 100,000V that gives you a few watts.

The professionals attain higher currents by running the belt in a vacuum chamber where no sparks are allowed, so the max charge on the belt can be much higher. But to force charge onto the belt, the belt must have conductive patches. The solution is to use a sort of metal chain thingy in place of a rubber belt. Such a device isn't called a VandeGraaff machine. Instead it's called a "pelletron"
 

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