Motorcycle Question #2 Right-Left

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The discussion revolves around the technique of steering a motorcycle, specifically focusing on the concept of countersteering while navigating curves. Participants share personal experiences and insights related to motorcycle handling, particularly in the context of racing and cornering techniques.

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  • Some participants describe the technique of countersteering as essential for steering a motorcycle at speeds above a low threshold, suggesting it is a common practice among motorcyclists.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about leaning and steering techniques while racing on a mountain bike, highlighting differences in approach to cornering.
  • Another participant recounts a negative experience related to steering on a bicycle, emphasizing the importance of proper technique.
  • Concerns are raised about the knowledge level of some motorcyclists regarding basic steering theory, with a suggestion that many may not fully understand countersteering.
  • A warning is issued about one participant's tendency to dominate discussions, hinting at potential conflicts in future exchanges.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity and comfort with the concept of countersteering, but there is no consensus on the broader implications of the technique or the knowledge of motorcyclists in general. The discussion includes both supportive and critical perspectives.

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Some statements rely on personal experiences and may not account for all variables in motorcycle handling. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of countersteering versus other steering methods.

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Motorcycle enthusiasts, racers, and individuals interested in understanding motorcycle handling techniques may find this discussion relevant.

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Motorcycle Question #2 Right-Left:

I'm riding a motorcycle at a modest speed, say 40 mph, on a straight stretch of a road. I see a right-hander (a curve turning to the right) ahead. I want to stay on the road, so I push the right side of the handlebar forward and pull the left side of the handlebar backward (effectively turning the front tire to the left).

Am I crazy?
 
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Originally posted by Julian Solos
Motorcycle Question #2 Right-Left:

I'm riding a motorcycle at a modest speed, say 40 mph, on a straight stretch of a road. I see a right-hander (a curve turning to the right) ahead. I want to stay on the road, so I push the right side of the handlebar forward and pull the left side of the handlebar backward (effectively turning the front tire to the left).

Am I crazy?

No - it is called reverse steering. It is the ONLY way to steer a motorcycle at anything above a low speed. You can't help but do this if you ride a bike at normal speeds. It is a technique that is easy to see being used in Speedway and Motocross.
When racing, you really yank the bars hard to flip the bike from one side to another through the twisty bits.

Adrian Baker
250cc Classic Racing Motorycle Club Champion 2003!
 


Originally posted by Adrian Baker
No - it is called reverse steering. It is the ONLY way to steer a motorcycle at anything above a low speed.

Or countersteering?

This is how we steer bicycles too.

If you don't believe me, experiment in a safe place. The speed should be above 6 mph or so.

I wrote a piece on countersteering. If you are interested, go here.
 


Originally posted by Julian Solos
Or countersteering?

This is how we steer bicycles too.

If you don't believe me, experiment in a safe place. The speed should be above 6 mph or so.

I wrote a piece on countersteering. If you are interested, go here.

Yes - I meant countersteering. :smile:

Nice website Julian - we obviously share an interest! It is amazing how many motorcyclists haven't got a clue on the basic theory of steering. On my Ducati 916, when really hurtling into a tight 'S' bend, without yanking the bars the 'wrong' way mid corner, I wouldn't get through at 2/3rds the speed without going off the road.

If you like motorcycles and racing, check out my site: Click here
 
i love taking corners and getting really low down. i used to do a lot of races on my mountin bike, and in one downhill section there was a wide 90 degree corner. i'd come from the left, lean to the right, but slightly steer to the left, and get right down. while the other bikers tried to TURN in the direction of the corner (to the right) and end up crashing or having to suddenly go straight and break. 'twas so funny :)
 
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Here I am pedantically wiping out on my bicycle because of steering, or the absence thereof, spiked off of a very small rock, handlebars twisted to the right about 37°/38°, came down, and 'spiked' on the front end right over translating the force through the handle bar onto my arm bone (Radius) right above the wrist, full force of me (~80 Kilos) doing 'bout 12 - 14 mph (maybe?)...and all of that on a bike tire that has the sidewalls decomposing (with a twist 'running itself' around the rim...slowly) but still having a center tread to ride on... some steering...
 
Originally posted by Arthur Dent
You guys really don't want to get in a motorcycle discussion with Julian. Pretty soon he'll be telling you that you don't know how to ride. Then he'll start posting his gore-fest. Then you'll ban him, and he'll keep popping back with some new alias or another. Wouldn't be surprised if he already has several here now.

Just a little friendly warning to you folks about Julian Solos.

Well thanks for the warning... :smile:

We have a saying on the racetrack... "The Bull**** stops when the flag drops"

I race, I win, I won the championship! (I'm explaining, not showing off).
I look forward to some future discussion...
 
What do you ride?
 

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