Research Project Ideas for Senior Level Physics Course

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The discussion revolves around potential research project ideas for a senior-level undergraduate physics course, with a particular focus on topics related to particle physics and classical mechanics, specifically calculations of classical orbits in electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in research ideas related to particle physics and satellite/planet orbit topics, noting their academic background in various physics courses.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the field of calculating classical orbits in electric and magnetic fields, questioning what this entails.
  • A participant suggests that the topic may relate to the Bohr model of the atom, discussing its assumptions and how it connects to observed data and quantum mechanics.
  • Concerns are raised about the depth of electromagnetic theory involved in the Bohr model, with one participant suggesting it may not require extensive vector calculus.
  • Another participant challenges the connection to the Bohr model, arguing that "orbit" refers to trajectories in dynamical systems and may involve plasma physics or mathematical analyses in phase space.
  • Discussion includes the potential for synthesizing concepts from mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics in the proposed research topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the Bohr model to the topic of classical orbits in electric and magnetic fields. There is no consensus on the depth of electromagnetic theory required or the specific nature of the research projects.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and interpretations regarding the relationship between classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics, indicating a need for clarity on definitions and scope.

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I have to take a Physics Project course where I would have to undertake a reserach endeavour whilst being supervised by a Professor at the university...any suggestions as to what this endeavour could be? This is a senior level underdergraduate course and my interest is in particle physics although I haven' t taken a senior level particle physics course..I am also interested in satellite and planet orbit related topics as are discussed in Classical Mechanics.

I will have taken the following before taking the project:
second year E and M
third year E and M
second year Special relativity(only year in which this is offered)
Optics
third year Modern Physics
Differential equations, ordinary and partial
Vector calculus
second year classical mechanics
third year classical mechanics
 
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any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and very useful to me
 
What is the meaning of this...one of the professors has listed this as one of his current interests: It seems interesting to me..can anyone explain what sort of stuff this field might entail?
FIELD: Calculations of classical orbits in electric and magnetic fields.
 
Classical orbits in electric and magnetic fields?

I believe this topic is referring to the Bohr model of the atom. It's a model that is based on some reasonable assumptions that we now believe not to be true, such as:

1. Electrons are little balls, like small planets.

2. Electrons orbit their nuclei in little elliptical orbits, like small planets.

On the surface, it's a reasonable theory, because it fits some of the observed data (that atoms have a dense, positive core, and are surrounded by a region of negative stuff, that this stuff is made of electrons and a hydrogen atom has only one of them, etc.) and because Coulomb's law of attraction between an electron and a proton looks a lot like the equation giving the gravitational attraction between the sun and the earth.

What's even neater is, if you tack on the idea that electrons have some sort of wavelength associated with them, and that an electron must only exist in orbits consisting of an integer number of wavelengths, you get a theory that predicts the energy levels of the hydrogen atom pretty accurately.

Not bad for a theory that's based on what are almost certainly false assumptions!

The mathematics and physics involved in pretending that electrons are little billiard balls is useful mathematics; it involves tricks that come up again and again in other places. Also, it serves as a jumping-off point for quantum mechanics.

This topic could be a good way to tie together mechanics, E&M and quantum.

P
 
I can see how it might deal with Classical/Analytical Mechanics and Quantum Mechanics but don't really know how it would be able to tie in E & M..would it be a pretty indepth application of E and M ?
 
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The Bohr model has E&M at its foundation, in that it is based on Coulomb's Law of Attraction.

I don't think that this topic is all *that* in-depth in that it doesn't rely on a lot of vector calculus, as so much of E&M does. But it involves a lot of synthesis and making connections between various fields in physics. If you wanted to add a little more mathematical rigour, you could compare and contrast the derivation of the Bohr energy levels from the Bohr model and from Schrödinger's Equation with an inverse radius potential (see Griffith's Quantum text for a very good derivation.)

P
 
Originally posted by student1938

FIELD: Calculations of classical orbits in electric and magnetic fields.

That doesn't have anything to do with the Bohr model.

"Orbit" means trajectory here. It is commonly used in the field of dynamical systems/nonlinear dynamics/chaos. He's talking about characterizing the motion of particles moving in electromagnetic fields. That either means plasma physics or abstract mathematical analyses of the volumes traced out in phase space etc. This will probably involve a good deal of math, writing computer programs, a solid understanding of E&M, and Hamiltonian mechanics.
 
Oh crap !
 

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